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what makes this trauma different from

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all the other travels well a few things

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for me a new multi-function on off

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switch can engage a travel lot created

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for people who like to travel whichever

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dimension that might be in the lawnmower

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4.0 gives you the ability to turn the

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when needed for a more precise shave the

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phoenix lights have nothing on this

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and the new tremor even allows you to

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customize your trim overall through

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additional guard lengths you get a

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nordics or short grays it's all good and

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you just feel the weight of it and you

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there's a whole cleanup of a look on the

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oh my gosh they're all going against the

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it was basically a cube with inside of

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so this isn't anything that just is

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limited to the united states it's a

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hey this is bryant arnold also known as

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dragon from skinwalker ranch and you're

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hi everyone and welcome to that ufo

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podcast as always my name is andy and

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getting right into this one folks

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looking forward to having a bit more of

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a technical i say technical conversation

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i'm not a tech expert here i've brought

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one on for me and i think it's a very

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timely guest as well especially from a

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lot of you sending me dms and emails

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i've got an expert in flair technology i

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have dave fulch dave welcome to the

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podcast thanks for having me appreciate

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it

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we seem to have had this lull where for

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months and months and months we've built

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up to this uap task force report and for

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so many people it meant so many

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different things and i can definitely

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see we're on like the downward side of

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the roller coaster now before we come

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back up and at this moment i'm seeing a

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ton of videos online

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um with people scrambling for stories

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or looking for something that's not

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there and i think it's just what people

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are trying to do to fill the time and

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between the next big story so i thought

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it'd be a really good time to speak with

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yourself because you're an expert in in

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flair technology and maybe clear some of

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this up for people as well and actually

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explain to us what we're looking at

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what we should be looking at and maybe

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some of the bits we should kind of stay

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away from as well

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before we get there dave i'd love to

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know a little bit about you and your

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background so do you mind taking us up

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through who you are any interest in ufos

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and whatnot growing up and can i watch

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legit to where you are now

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sure um i grew up in st louis

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went to college there but i couldn't

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really find a job in the 90s so i ended

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up joining the navy

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and i worked as an aviation electronics

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technician

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some of the things

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that i was interested in alien stuff it

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was just pretty much the same stuff as

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anybody else like you know close

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encounters of the fourth kind and

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just any kind of alien moves i do like

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the alien predator kind of movies those

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are pretty cool

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but um as far as

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my background

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after the navy i went back to st louis

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couldn't really find my niche back in

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society there shall we so i

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moved down to florida which is where i

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was in the navy in jacksonville

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and then i found a job working on flairs

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and i've been doing that for the last 15

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awesome and for the layman like myself

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who's not too too good with different

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terminologies and whatnot what was it

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you'd done as part of the navy was it

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working with things like flare

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um well there's aviation electronics

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at the intermediate level

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so it's one level removed from the depot

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level which is like the most advanced

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level where you break it down to nuts

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and bolts the intermediate level is when

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another

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sailor will take a component like a box

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out of an aircraft and he'll give it to

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me and i'll say okay i've been trained

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to fix this box so i'll fix the box give

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it back to him he'll install it back in

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the aircraft he he's in charge of all

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the the aircraft avionics but i'm in

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charge of fixing a specific

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uh box or component that kind of thing a

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line replaceable unit

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the essence of that

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and with the navy were you again excuse

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my ignorance were you out on the on the

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ships or do you stay like a base

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somewhere on like an hq or on the coast

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basic training in electronics i got the

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the skinny from some of the other

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sailors that if you wanted kind of a

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plush job you wanted to be intermediate

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so i got really lucky

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and i was p3 navy which means

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the p3s don't land on aircraft carriers

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i never went to a ship so i pretty much

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had the cushy job of just like a

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nine-to-five job uh land base fixing

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aviation electronics

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awesome and in that environment was

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there ever any talk of ufos uaps things

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in the sky or was it still even

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in that environment away from the craft

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themselves like was it still a taboo

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subject

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uh to be honest we didn't really touch

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on it the time when i was in the navy to

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be i can't recall any time where there

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was anything like today where it's

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gotten such a you know a prominent

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notice in the media

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now you yourself like you say flare is

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something that the word can you just

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talk about what flair is what it means

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because i think for so many people we're

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just so used to i was saying oh flair

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it's a flair camera and we talk about it

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as if we know what we're talking about

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but you're the expert so do you mind

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breaking down what flair stands for and

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what it actually is

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sure um

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flir is forward-looking infrared it's

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not forward-looking infrared radar uh

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because it's passive it doesn't emit

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anything except if you have lasers on it

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there's different manufacturers that

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make these fliers that you typically

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mount to aircraft sometime you put on

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ships but it's like um a 9 to 20 inch

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ball

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it's like um got cameras on a chassis

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internal

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and then there it's rotated by a turret

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that does elevation in azimuth sometimes

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it's four axis

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it's it's usually three to five micron

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a specific wavelength of infrared so for

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i think it's between four and seven

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hundred nanometers

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near infrared is

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somewhere nine

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to one point something

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micron and then the three to five micron

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between the near infrared and the mid

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you know you can look at a chart you can

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google that kind of stuff but

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to sum it up

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typically government level

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fliers are using the three to five

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microns which have certain

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characteristics meaning

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they don't

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really care about light i mean they do

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but they're all about detecting heat so

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the cameras are different

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that's what a lot of people are confused

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about is a daylight camera

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doesn't look like a flare camera it does

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sometimes because there's an overlap

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between the light and the heat you know

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sun shines down on grass you're going to

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see the heat because the grass absorbs

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the heat but it's not always that way

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there's different characteristics to it

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and

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that's where there's a lot of confusion

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even when you're talking about

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cameras around your house like

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surveillance camera security cameras

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those are near infrared those aren't

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picking up thermal radiation those are

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picking up light because you see all the

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little leds that are around the camera

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sensor those are emitting that to bounce

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off this what they're looking at so then

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their camera can pick that up within

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that wavelength

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does it get more complicated or less

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you know that that's a good start and to

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be honest as the mainstream has picked

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up on the the uap and ufo stories over

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the last few months

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you've seen more and more comments

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online especially the the sphere videos

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from the uss was it the russell or the

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omaha i get yes

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i believe omaha yeah um and there was so

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many comments

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from again just the general public of

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you know my phone can film blah blah

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blah but the military's best 100 million

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dollar cameras can't even take a picture

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that's not grainy and like you say the

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context is just totally lost on people

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because it's picking up heat it's not

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there to film a picture it's filming

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stuff that's at you know what three

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miles away i believe those fears were is

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that about right and it was 11 o'clock

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at night

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right um i'm not sure about the distance

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but yeah that's totally within range

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yeah i think that's about right from

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what i read anyway i i i may be wrong

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but it's in the ballpark and that's the

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idea of it isn't it that like you see it

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is filming a heat signature

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some of your videos that i quite like

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and i'll link to the youtube channel and

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i would encourage people who haven't

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seen them to go and check them out you

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you give really good examples of filming

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everyday objects from a plane to a

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balloon to birds which we'll get onto in

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a second as well and some of them and i

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think it's one of the balloon ones you

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flick between the day camera and the

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infrared as well

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now on another one of the videos you you

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showed dead pixels and then you cut to

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what you see as a ufo and you show the

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ufo on flare so you're forward looking

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infrared but when you switch to the day

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camera it's not there

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right

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what is going on in a video when you're

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filming something that you as an expert

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in this technology say this is a ufo

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whatever that might mean it's an

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unidentified object

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why is it appearing on infrared but not

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appearing on a day camera

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yeah the only other example i've ever

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seen of that is like the moon when it's

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really hazy the infrared will see

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through the atmosphere and you can see

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the moon

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sometimes that's kind of iffy too but

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we've never seen any kind of orb remain

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kind of geosynchronous

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in the sky

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and then not being able to see them with

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two different day day cams the electro

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optics eo cams

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so

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that's what my co-worker was confused

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about when he came in and notified me it

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wasn't even me that saw them first but

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um i took out the cell phone and i

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immediately saw it was something that

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was an anomaly so i started recording

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unfortunately at that time we didn't

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even have recording equipment

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attached to the fliers when we test them

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out back because there's really no

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reason to

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after that we've gone to

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putting recording equipment because it

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actually helps out with our day-to-day

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testing but

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anyway back to that video

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it definitely looked like it was within

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the atmosphere it was about plane size

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you know 30 to 50 feet something like

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that

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and it could not be seen in the day cams

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which didn't make sense because you're

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gonna see at least something with the

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day cams

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they're boresighted

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in um

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to one camera to the other so if you

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flip from day camera to the infrared and

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then to another camera they should all

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see the exact same um you know picture

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upon a picture does that make sense yeah

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yeah absolutely

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what

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do you have any ideas or theories and

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this is more speculation as to what that

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could be then

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the only thing i could have thought it

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been at the time or that i'm trying to

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speculate

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maybe it was a blimp if it's just

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staying there

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but

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what happened was we got a high def

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system because we couldn't really see

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too much with the one we are

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dealing with

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and put it in its place

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now when we took the one out and then

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put a new one in

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the the high def system that takes about

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five minutes to cryogenically cool for

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the infrared detector to see the the

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heat you know thermal radiation so

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within that five minutes that object had

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completely

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disappeared from the span of the sky

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that we could see so

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that doesn't make sense either unless

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the balloon dropped out of the sky like

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the hindenburg some you know something

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like that

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which is possible but you know what's

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you have to cover all the bases here

389
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which is which is fair and

390
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i'm never one just to jump to it's a ufo

391
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it's a spaceship it's this or that it

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could be multiple different things but

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like you see it was it was certainly

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strange and and warranted you looking at

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it now

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just in the 10 minutes we've been

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talking about this equipment there's a

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lot to it how long does it take to study

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and

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qualify to use this equipment to the

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level you would be classified as as an

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um well just to work on the equipment by

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yourself in our shop it takes about two

404
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or three years so you're usually

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brought in from a technical background

406
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we have a lot of veterans there that

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it takes

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oh i wouldn't even know maybe five to

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ten years till

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you really know what you're doing

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and i would say

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yeah about i got about 15 years in but

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there's people in there that

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have like 20 25 years they're the two

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other two top guys that um are working

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with me

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so

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are there any other backgrounds or

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industries where people could come in

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and

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have a bit of a head start on on

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equipment like flear

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and without naming names i'm going to

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say if someone worked in the video

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gaming industry

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would they have an exposure to

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technology that they could instantly

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pick up what flair was and how it worked

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and

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if you get what i'm getting at

431
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well when i was interviewed they were

432
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wondering a bunch of different stuff

433
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what do i know i knew a lot about

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computers i knew how to solder i knew a

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lot about um

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through-hole

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technology you know for soldering um

438
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i knew how to

439
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tear a car engine apart you know it's

440
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not to where you're rebuilding but i can

441
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take a water pump off change the timing

442
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belt stuff like that that's the

443
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mechanical aspect that they're looking

444
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for because it's electro mechanical

445
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optical it's a whole bunch of things

446
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different going on

447
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and um nowadays it's becoming more

448
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digital to where your circuit cards are

449
00:17:43,430 --> 00:17:42,000
kind of throw away sometimes you can fix

450
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them but

451
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um yeah there's a big overlap of

452
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technologies that we're looking at

453
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one of the guys in our uh shop actually

454
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is a car mechanic but he was in the navy

455
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he was in he was a chief and he was an

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aviation electronics tech so we know he

457
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has um

458
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different level you kind of want to jack

459
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of all trades but focusing on the um the

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electronics

461
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now i suppose one of the most famous

462
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online or social media personalities

463
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would be mcquest and i'm sure you've

464
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seen some of his videos and his tests

465
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yeah yeah so listen i i unfollowed mick

466
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because i i just i personally think he

467
00:18:28,070 --> 00:18:26,320
he trolls quite a lot i think

468
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he knows exactly what he's doing he's an

469
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intelligent guy

470
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um which is clear and anyone who says

471
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otherwise is wrong however

472
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i look at someone like mick whose

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background is in developing computer

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games and i see him talk with an air of

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confidence about a system

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that he has no real background in he

477
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just seems to to run his own experiments

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which he claims to to explain what we're

479
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seeing on these videos how do you feel

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when you see people like mick and others

481
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talk about this equipment with no real

482
00:19:04,870 --> 00:19:01,600
background in it and and what you hear

483
00:19:07,830 --> 00:19:04,880
is that anything to what they say

484
00:19:10,470 --> 00:19:07,840
um yeah mick he's kind of comical in a

485
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way it started off a couple years

486
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when i was working with him

487
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he he would want me to do an experiment

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like put a smudge of grease on an old

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window and then twist it in front of a

490
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flear camera and i did you know and we

491
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did a couple things but he's one of

492
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those guys that kind of likes to move

493
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the goal post once he's been proven

494
00:19:30,310 --> 00:19:28,080
wrong or his theory's not going the way

495
00:19:32,390 --> 00:19:30,320
he wants he changes theories so

496
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everything just keeps moving on and i'm

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like i'm not going to be your you know

498
00:19:39,029 --> 00:19:37,520
your slave to do these experiments i

499
00:19:41,590 --> 00:19:39,039
have other things to do now there's a

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lot of sycophants of mick where

501
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they you know ask me all these same

502
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questions that's just regurgitating the

503
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same thing mick comes up with but his

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famous

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when he's on like social media or

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something

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experiment is when he takes a flashlight

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and he's got the lens and he's like oh

509
00:20:01,830 --> 00:19:59,600
see how the glare rotates it's the same

510
00:20:05,190 --> 00:20:01,840
in the infrared it's completely not he

511
00:20:07,830 --> 00:20:05,200
doesn't understand he has a flear one

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camera which is a long wave infrared

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00:20:11,510 --> 00:20:09,600
camera that he plugs into his phone he

514
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does experiments like that

515
00:20:15,510 --> 00:20:13,039
that's where he kind of thinks that he

516
00:20:18,070 --> 00:20:15,520
has a grasp on the technology but what

517
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he doesn't realize is it's only one

518
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field of view it's just the you know 640

519
00:20:25,029 --> 00:20:23,039
by 480

520
00:20:27,270 --> 00:20:25,039
or whatever the resolution is on it and

521
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it's just looking at the wide field of

522
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view whatever's in the room now with the

523
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flir systems you're flipping lenses and

524
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you're using different magnifications

525
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and there's different focal lengths and

526
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all these things going on that he's

527
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completely unfamiliar with

528
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but he's kind of one of those guys that

529
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he knows enough to be dangerous

530
00:20:48,149 --> 00:20:46,400
yeah and and you know what he's a very

531
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intelligent guy and i've said before

532
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when people have asked me to

533
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to have mick on the podcast

534
00:21:36,549 --> 00:20:54,240
i

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then rotates

536
00:21:42,310 --> 00:21:39,440
now we have since heard from ryan graves

537
00:21:44,230 --> 00:21:42,320
and others that there was a formation of

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five other objects which were off the

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camera or that we don't see and they

540
00:21:50,390 --> 00:21:48,880
turned at quite a rapid pace and and

541
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everything else which is fascinating but

542
00:21:54,870 --> 00:21:52,880
we don't have that footage now when you

543
00:21:56,549 --> 00:21:54,880
first see footage like the the gimbal

544
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footage and you've talked a little bit

545
00:22:02,710 --> 00:21:59,120
about it there what is it about it

546
00:22:03,590 --> 00:22:02,720
that's fascinating or interesting you

547
00:22:06,390 --> 00:22:03,600
um

548
00:22:07,669 --> 00:22:06,400
yeah the first time i saw that i gasped

549
00:22:10,149 --> 00:22:07,679
uh

550
00:22:12,630 --> 00:22:10,159
i actually gasped because it's something

551
00:22:14,789 --> 00:22:12,640
that you're not gonna see out of any

552
00:22:16,310 --> 00:22:14,799
kind of man-made aircraft

553
00:22:18,310 --> 00:22:16,320
the thing about

554
00:22:20,950 --> 00:22:18,320
the hypothesis of that you're looking at

555
00:22:24,390 --> 00:22:20,960
the the tail end of a jet and that's

556
00:22:26,470 --> 00:22:24,400
just being glared from from the heat is

557
00:22:28,390 --> 00:22:26,480
you don't see the spiking

558
00:22:30,710 --> 00:22:28,400
that the you normally see with a jet

559
00:22:31,909 --> 00:22:30,720
engine it's a very consistent solid

560
00:22:34,070 --> 00:22:31,919
object

561
00:22:37,110 --> 00:22:34,080
and with the rotation it remains a

562
00:22:38,710 --> 00:22:37,120
consistent object and it doesn't bank to

563
00:22:42,070 --> 00:22:38,720
the left like you would expect an

564
00:22:44,630 --> 00:22:42,080
aircraft to do it just kind of rotates

565
00:22:46,630 --> 00:22:44,640
it doesn't have follow any kind of laws

566
00:22:49,110 --> 00:22:46,640
of um

567
00:22:50,149 --> 00:22:49,120
nature it's just not right

568
00:22:52,149 --> 00:22:50,159
and

569
00:22:55,029 --> 00:22:52,159
there's just a few things

570
00:22:56,310 --> 00:22:55,039
that um

571
00:22:59,270 --> 00:22:56,320
okay

572
00:23:01,909 --> 00:22:59,280
there's a lot of speculation about

573
00:23:04,149 --> 00:23:01,919
when mick does this thing with a video

574
00:23:06,950 --> 00:23:04,159
and he enhances the gain and then you

575
00:23:09,350 --> 00:23:06,960
see some artifacts as he calls them and

576
00:23:11,110 --> 00:23:09,360
they rotate at the same time as the

577
00:23:12,390 --> 00:23:11,120
object rotates

578
00:23:14,870 --> 00:23:12,400
um

579
00:23:16,310 --> 00:23:14,880
it doesn't matter i mean okay

580
00:23:18,630 --> 00:23:16,320
it could be that the tracker is trying

581
00:23:20,310 --> 00:23:18,640
to reacquire the subject when the object

582
00:23:23,590 --> 00:23:20,320
moves because it's

583
00:23:25,750 --> 00:23:23,600
seeing within its tracker bars the

584
00:23:27,190 --> 00:23:25,760
object just shift rotate it's not

585
00:23:28,870 --> 00:23:27,200
familiar with that so it kind of

586
00:23:30,149 --> 00:23:28,880
reacquires i don't know if that's the

587
00:23:30,950 --> 00:23:30,159
case or not

588
00:23:33,270 --> 00:23:30,960
but

589
00:23:35,430 --> 00:23:33,280
the object clearly rotates against the

590
00:23:37,990 --> 00:23:35,440
cloud horizon

591
00:23:40,390 --> 00:23:38,000
so there's nothing in the optics that's

592
00:23:42,070 --> 00:23:40,400
going to make a glare rotate against the

593
00:23:44,070 --> 00:23:42,080
cloud horizon

594
00:23:47,110 --> 00:23:44,080
it's you're looking at a narrow field of

595
00:23:49,029 --> 00:23:47,120
view this is like back into the heart of

596
00:23:51,590 --> 00:23:49,039
the infrared optics

597
00:23:53,909 --> 00:23:51,600
even the d rotation device that was

598
00:23:55,270 --> 00:23:53,919
talked about a lot is just a mirror that

599
00:23:56,549 --> 00:23:55,280
rotates so it's going to rotate the

600
00:23:57,430 --> 00:23:56,559
whole scene

601
00:23:59,350 --> 00:23:57,440
so

602
00:24:01,669 --> 00:23:59,360
it's just a straw man argument there's

603
00:24:03,830 --> 00:24:01,679
no point in arguing the whole rotation

604
00:24:05,510 --> 00:24:03,840
thing which is the thing that people ask

605
00:24:06,549 --> 00:24:05,520
me the most about like on my youtube

606
00:24:07,990 --> 00:24:06,559
channel

607
00:24:09,909 --> 00:24:08,000
yeah and obviously it's the most

608
00:24:11,430 --> 00:24:09,919
fascinating part of that video and the

609
00:24:12,470 --> 00:24:11,440
first time i saw it it was the same as

610
00:24:14,950 --> 00:24:12,480
you that

611
00:24:16,870 --> 00:24:14,960
wow i mean just the shape itself looks

612
00:24:18,789 --> 00:24:16,880
sort of disc shaped and i know that can

613
00:24:20,710 --> 00:24:18,799
be a that could be many different things

614
00:24:21,830 --> 00:24:20,720
when you're picking up a heat signature

615
00:24:23,510 --> 00:24:21,840
or not

616
00:24:26,310 --> 00:24:23,520
but it is the fact that it slows down

617
00:24:27,909 --> 00:24:26,320
and then rotates and it clearly rotates

618
00:24:29,669 --> 00:24:27,919
to the naked eye

619
00:24:31,269 --> 00:24:29,679
and then when i saw someone like mick

620
00:24:33,669 --> 00:24:31,279
and a few others come out and say that

621
00:24:35,510 --> 00:24:33,679
it wasn't rotating it's actually the the

622
00:24:37,110 --> 00:24:35,520
background my heart sank a little bit

623
00:24:37,990 --> 00:24:37,120
because i thought oh that that would

624
00:24:39,990 --> 00:24:38,000
really

625
00:24:41,990 --> 00:24:40,000
put a massive wrench in this

626
00:24:43,909 --> 00:24:42,000
but then other experts and it may have

627
00:24:45,430 --> 00:24:43,919
been yourself or other people came out

628
00:24:48,149 --> 00:24:45,440
and said no that's definitely not the

629
00:24:51,830 --> 00:24:48,159
case this is absolutely rotating which

630
00:24:53,830 --> 00:24:51,840
for me that's that's the huge piece now

631
00:24:55,269 --> 00:24:53,840
obviously when it cuts off it cuts off

632
00:24:58,310 --> 00:24:55,279
and there's all sorts of speculation as

633
00:25:00,149 --> 00:24:58,320
to what happens next we've heard from

634
00:25:01,510 --> 00:25:00,159
ryan graves recently that the object

635
00:25:03,269 --> 00:25:01,520
turns

636
00:25:05,750 --> 00:25:03,279
a bit like a conventional aircraft would

637
00:25:07,830 --> 00:25:05,760
and then follows this other formation oh

638
00:25:09,830 --> 00:25:07,840
no sorry the gimbal object apparently

639
00:25:11,909 --> 00:25:09,840
turns at a 90 degree angle and it was

640
00:25:14,230 --> 00:25:11,919
the the object the five objects in front

641
00:25:16,230 --> 00:25:14,240
which banked like a an ordinary craft

642
00:25:18,070 --> 00:25:16,240
would now

643
00:25:19,750 --> 00:25:18,080
is there anything else in this video

644
00:25:21,590 --> 00:25:19,760
other than the

645
00:25:23,830 --> 00:25:21,600
the tunneling of the object or rotating

646
00:25:25,510 --> 00:25:23,840
that's particularly interesting uh what

647
00:25:26,950 --> 00:25:25,520
about the speed of it or anything like

648
00:25:29,430 --> 00:25:26,960
that that you would pick up just at a

649
00:25:32,390 --> 00:25:29,440
glance

650
00:25:33,909 --> 00:25:32,400
not so much it just seems like it's

651
00:25:35,590 --> 00:25:33,919
very stable

652
00:25:36,870 --> 00:25:35,600
because normally when you see aircraft

653
00:25:37,990 --> 00:25:36,880
and you're following an aircraft

654
00:25:39,669 --> 00:25:38,000
something like that

655
00:25:40,950 --> 00:25:39,679
there's going to be different movements

656
00:25:44,630 --> 00:25:40,960
there's you know you're fighting the

657
00:25:46,870 --> 00:25:44,640
wind it just seems like it was com

658
00:25:48,789 --> 00:25:46,880
extremely controlled it was very

659
00:25:51,190 --> 00:25:48,799
mechanical in nature when you see the

660
00:25:53,510 --> 00:25:51,200
rotation it looked like it was on like a

661
00:25:56,230 --> 00:25:53,520
a motor potentiometer assembly and you

662
00:25:57,269 --> 00:25:56,240
were turning the knob and yeah it just

663
00:25:59,909 --> 00:25:57,279
moves

664
00:26:01,750 --> 00:25:59,919
um i'd like to touch on one thing that

665
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:01,760
mick likes to use he pulled one of my

666
00:26:05,430 --> 00:26:02,880
videos

667
00:26:07,430 --> 00:26:05,440
that i put on youtube a long time ago

668
00:26:09,909 --> 00:26:07,440
where i labeled gimbal exhaust because

669
00:26:12,390 --> 00:26:09,919
it kind of looked like the gimbal it was

670
00:26:13,590 --> 00:26:12,400
a a trainer plane flying out of nes

671
00:26:15,029 --> 00:26:13,600
jacks

672
00:26:17,750 --> 00:26:15,039
and i saw it and i was just kind of

673
00:26:19,430 --> 00:26:17,760
playing around with the gains levels and

674
00:26:21,350 --> 00:26:19,440
then i adjusted the focus and i was like

675
00:26:22,950 --> 00:26:21,360
that kind of looks like that um that

676
00:26:24,390 --> 00:26:22,960
gimbal object this is

677
00:26:25,510 --> 00:26:24,400
you know a few years back when it was

678
00:26:27,029 --> 00:26:25,520
fresh

679
00:26:29,750 --> 00:26:27,039
and um

680
00:26:31,669 --> 00:26:29,760
you know i was not in the know about

681
00:26:33,909 --> 00:26:31,679
what mick's agenda was so i shared it

682
00:26:35,269 --> 00:26:33,919
with him i was like hey check this out

683
00:26:37,590 --> 00:26:35,279
well he jumped right on that he's like

684
00:26:39,269 --> 00:26:37,600
that's what it is it's the you know it's

685
00:26:40,549 --> 00:26:39,279
definitely an aircraft and i said you

686
00:26:42,630 --> 00:26:40,559
know what i understand like i'm

687
00:26:44,070 --> 00:26:42,640
disproving this because it's completely

688
00:26:46,789 --> 00:26:44,080
out of focus i

689
00:26:48,789 --> 00:26:46,799
de-focus this greatly you know but i was

690
00:26:51,990 --> 00:26:48,799
just kind of uh sharing with you type

691
00:26:53,110 --> 00:26:52,000
thing no no he still uses that video to

692
00:26:56,230 --> 00:26:53,120
um

693
00:26:58,630 --> 00:26:56,240
to kind of debunk the whole the gimbal

694
00:27:00,789 --> 00:26:58,640
object rotating

695
00:27:03,590 --> 00:27:00,799
and we had the other videos where the go

696
00:27:06,070 --> 00:27:03,600
fast and the tic tac which of those if

697
00:27:07,909 --> 00:27:06,080
any do you find interesting anything

698
00:27:10,310 --> 00:27:07,919
about them again which jumps out to you

699
00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:10,320
because i think those are probably two

700
00:27:14,710 --> 00:27:13,200
of the maybe less spectacular just given

701
00:27:17,510 --> 00:27:14,720
the footage itself but what about

702
00:27:19,430 --> 00:27:17,520
yourself what were your thoughts

703
00:27:21,909 --> 00:27:19,440
yeah the um

704
00:27:24,070 --> 00:27:21,919
think about this the go fast was pretty

705
00:27:26,149 --> 00:27:24,080
interesting that it broke track

706
00:27:28,390 --> 00:27:26,159
because it's pretty far away object and

707
00:27:30,310 --> 00:27:28,400
it would really have to accelerate it

708
00:27:32,230 --> 00:27:30,320
goes to the left you know at a great

709
00:27:33,350 --> 00:27:32,240
rate of speed in order to break track

710
00:27:35,350 --> 00:27:33,360
like that

711
00:27:37,590 --> 00:27:35,360
some of the pilots that i've talked to

712
00:27:39,990 --> 00:27:37,600
have said that's what made them gasp

713
00:27:42,230 --> 00:27:40,000
because they're used to this equipment

714
00:27:43,990 --> 00:27:42,240
being airborne and they said that it

715
00:27:46,149 --> 00:27:44,000
just doesn't happen

716
00:27:49,430 --> 00:27:46,159
as far as the um

717
00:27:51,430 --> 00:27:49,440
the what was it the uh

718
00:27:53,909 --> 00:27:51,440
the go fast breaks the track and then i

719
00:27:56,230 --> 00:27:53,919
think the oh no is it flare one they're

720
00:27:57,430 --> 00:27:56,240
labeled as on the website now anyone tsa

721
00:27:58,710 --> 00:27:57,440
but

722
00:28:00,950 --> 00:27:58,720
you've got the other one which is the

723
00:28:02,389 --> 00:28:00,960
tic tac shooting across the the surface

724
00:28:04,070 --> 00:28:02,399
of the water

725
00:28:06,870 --> 00:28:04,080
well i thought that was the go fast i

726
00:28:08,470 --> 00:28:06,880
think the tic tac was the one

727
00:28:09,990 --> 00:28:08,480
it's hard to remember

728
00:28:11,590 --> 00:28:10,000
i don't know what i can youtube it

729
00:28:13,269 --> 00:28:11,600
because i think they get so they get so

730
00:28:16,070 --> 00:28:13,279
confused now

731
00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:16,080
from what they were originally um the

732
00:28:21,029 --> 00:28:18,480
flear one that was a real boring one

733
00:28:22,950 --> 00:28:21,039
where it just shows like the orb

734
00:28:26,310 --> 00:28:22,960
and there's not much going on yeah the

735
00:28:27,110 --> 00:28:26,320
flare one just sits and then goes off

736
00:28:29,190 --> 00:28:27,120
okay

737
00:28:30,470 --> 00:28:29,200
the the the go fast is the one where

738
00:28:32,870 --> 00:28:30,480
it's going across the surface of the

739
00:28:35,029 --> 00:28:32,880
water i've got the website up now okay

740
00:28:37,430 --> 00:28:35,039
great flare when it sits and then just

741
00:28:39,590 --> 00:28:37,440
goes off to the left

742
00:28:42,470 --> 00:28:39,600
okay so that was the flare one

743
00:28:45,269 --> 00:28:42,480
um the go fast is definitely interesting

744
00:28:47,269 --> 00:28:45,279
because there's cold object cruising

745
00:28:49,110 --> 00:28:47,279
across the sky that's obviously colder

746
00:28:51,510 --> 00:28:49,120
than the ocean below it

747
00:28:53,909 --> 00:28:51,520
and uh like jeremy corbell did a big

748
00:28:56,389 --> 00:28:53,919
analysis on this i kind of worked with

749
00:28:58,470 --> 00:28:56,399
him a little bit on that but

750
00:29:00,310 --> 00:28:58,480
that's you know it's it's not a bird you

751
00:29:02,070 --> 00:29:00,320
would see a bird

752
00:29:03,830 --> 00:29:02,080
even at that distance you would see the

753
00:29:06,070 --> 00:29:03,840
wings flapping or you would see some

754
00:29:07,909 --> 00:29:06,080
kind of movement this is just a solid

755
00:29:09,990 --> 00:29:07,919
orb object just

756
00:29:11,430 --> 00:29:10,000
hurtling through the sky and i'm not one

757
00:29:13,269 --> 00:29:11,440
of those guys that can put together

758
00:29:15,750 --> 00:29:13,279
mathematical equations

759
00:29:16,710 --> 00:29:15,760
to tell you how fast the aircraft was

760
00:29:22,149 --> 00:29:16,720
going

761
00:29:23,909 --> 00:29:22,159
don't do those kind of things that's out

762
00:29:25,590 --> 00:29:23,919
of my scope so

763
00:29:28,149 --> 00:29:25,600
but i can tell you just looking at that

764
00:29:31,510 --> 00:29:28,159
thing it's it's an anomaly that's not

765
00:29:33,830 --> 00:29:31,520
anything typical that we normally see

766
00:29:36,310 --> 00:29:33,840
have you heard about anything like those

767
00:29:38,149 --> 00:29:36,320
videos in the in the meantime from

768
00:29:40,870 --> 00:29:38,159
former colleagues in the navy or

769
00:29:43,029 --> 00:29:40,880
otherwise

770
00:29:44,950 --> 00:29:43,039
um

771
00:29:46,149 --> 00:29:44,960
yeah well i'm working on something right

772
00:29:48,710 --> 00:29:46,159
now but i

773
00:29:49,510 --> 00:29:48,720
signed an nda and i'm kind of held to

774
00:29:51,110 --> 00:29:49,520
that

775
00:29:53,190 --> 00:29:51,120
so all people are going to roll their

776
00:29:55,750 --> 00:29:53,200
eyes when they hear nda but i understand

777
00:29:57,190 --> 00:29:55,760
yeah i i get that but it's

778
00:29:58,389 --> 00:29:57,200
that's that's good to know though that

779
00:29:59,830 --> 00:29:58,399
there's there's still other stuff out

780
00:30:01,510 --> 00:29:59,840
there you're working on

781
00:30:04,389 --> 00:30:01,520
yeah it wouldn't happen to be a

782
00:30:07,510 --> 00:30:04,399
23-minute long video would it

783
00:30:09,350 --> 00:30:07,520
um what was that the um

784
00:30:11,029 --> 00:30:09,360
which one was that so this is the video

785
00:30:12,389 --> 00:30:11,039
that lou's just talked about recently

786
00:30:14,149 --> 00:30:12,399
saying there's a

787
00:30:17,350 --> 00:30:14,159
23-minute long video within the

788
00:30:18,870 --> 00:30:17,360
classified section of the the uap report

789
00:30:20,950 --> 00:30:18,880
and uh

790
00:30:24,230 --> 00:30:20,960
apparently it's like the video to end

791
00:30:26,070 --> 00:30:24,240
all videos for what they've got anyway

792
00:30:28,070 --> 00:30:26,080
no the the one i'm thinking of i'm

793
00:30:29,269 --> 00:30:28,080
working on is longer than that

794
00:30:31,990 --> 00:30:29,279
um

795
00:30:34,310 --> 00:30:32,000
now there's two videos i saw on twitter

796
00:30:35,269 --> 00:30:34,320
there was one that was

797
00:30:38,950 --> 00:30:35,279
um

798
00:30:41,430 --> 00:30:38,960
like a warthog being chased by a uap or

799
00:30:42,950 --> 00:30:41,440
and then there was one that was

800
00:30:45,110 --> 00:30:42,960
what they call the witch i don't know

801
00:30:47,350 --> 00:30:45,120
how you say that in spanish it's like la

802
00:30:48,230 --> 00:30:47,360
bruja or something like that did you see

803
00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:48,240
that

804
00:30:53,830 --> 00:30:51,360
mind i'd like to touch on the the

805
00:30:55,830 --> 00:30:53,840
warthog one first

806
00:30:58,310 --> 00:30:55,840
this is and again i've seen mick do a

807
00:30:59,990 --> 00:30:58,320
video but this is one that i would i

808
00:31:01,430 --> 00:31:00,000
would tend to just at a glance think

809
00:31:03,430 --> 00:31:01,440
mick is correct

810
00:31:06,630 --> 00:31:03,440
that the object in the video

811
00:31:10,149 --> 00:31:06,640
it isn't a uap but probably a bird

812
00:31:11,350 --> 00:31:10,159
a bug no a a sorry scottish accent a bud

813
00:31:13,510 --> 00:31:11,360
like it's a

814
00:31:15,750 --> 00:31:13,520
you know because it seems to have a kind

815
00:31:18,630 --> 00:31:15,760
of flapping wing motion as it goes up

816
00:31:20,149 --> 00:31:18,640
and i've also heard that the if it's the

817
00:31:22,950 --> 00:31:20,159
same video we're talking about it's got

818
00:31:24,789 --> 00:31:22,960
the the aircraft flying about

819
00:31:26,950 --> 00:31:24,799
but in the background you kind of see

820
00:31:28,630 --> 00:31:26,960
the little black object going up and up

821
00:31:29,830 --> 00:31:28,640
and up is that the same video we're

822
00:31:31,269 --> 00:31:29,840
talking about here

823
00:31:32,630 --> 00:31:31,279
i think so but it didn't look like a

824
00:31:34,230 --> 00:31:32,640
bird to me i mean that would be some

825
00:31:35,750 --> 00:31:34,240
kind of super bird

826
00:31:37,830 --> 00:31:35,760
no i mean that's the thing if you're

827
00:31:39,430 --> 00:31:37,840
looking at a warthog with that

828
00:31:41,430 --> 00:31:39,440
particular system that flear system

829
00:31:43,269 --> 00:31:41,440
which i'm familiar with you're going to

830
00:31:46,870 --> 00:31:43,279
see wings flap

831
00:31:48,549 --> 00:31:46,880
even if it's at a different distance

832
00:31:50,789 --> 00:31:48,559
if that were a bird it would be closer

833
00:31:53,350 --> 00:31:50,799
because the size of the bird versus the

834
00:31:55,669 --> 00:31:53,360
relative size of the aircraft

835
00:31:57,990 --> 00:31:55,679
it looked to me like that little orb had

836
00:31:59,269 --> 00:31:58,000
an interest in that aircraft and started

837
00:32:01,190 --> 00:31:59,279
following it

838
00:32:02,950 --> 00:32:01,200
i mean the people that operate these on

839
00:32:04,389 --> 00:32:02,960
the ground

840
00:32:06,070 --> 00:32:04,399
it's just

841
00:32:07,750 --> 00:32:06,080
you become familiar with it you do this

842
00:32:09,350 --> 00:32:07,760
over and over day after day for hours

843
00:32:11,909 --> 00:32:09,360
and hours

844
00:32:15,350 --> 00:32:11,919
and you just know what things are

845
00:32:17,029 --> 00:32:15,360
that was not a bird following

846
00:32:18,549 --> 00:32:17,039
that's interesting because it was a few

847
00:32:20,230 --> 00:32:18,559
other people that i'd spoke to because i

848
00:32:21,990 --> 00:32:20,240
think that particular piece of footage

849
00:32:24,230 --> 00:32:22,000
isn't isn't brand new it's been around

850
00:32:26,789 --> 00:32:24,240
just a little while and

851
00:32:29,509 --> 00:32:26,799
i had heard initially when it was posted

852
00:32:31,110 --> 00:32:29,519
that it was something to do with like a

853
00:32:33,190 --> 00:32:31,120
a drugs run because it's i think it's

854
00:32:35,430 --> 00:32:33,200
based out of new mexico or something

855
00:32:36,630 --> 00:32:35,440
and it was something like that along

856
00:32:38,710 --> 00:32:36,640
those lines anyway and it was very

857
00:32:40,230 --> 00:32:38,720
quickly put down as there's nothing to

858
00:32:41,750 --> 00:32:40,240
see in this that was being filmed

859
00:32:42,630 --> 00:32:41,760
because it was part of our like a drugs

860
00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:42,640
bust

861
00:32:46,070 --> 00:32:44,640
and and that was it and then people

862
00:32:49,669 --> 00:32:46,080
obviously talked about the object in the

863
00:32:51,750 --> 00:32:49,679
background but again i'll i'll put

864
00:32:53,750 --> 00:32:51,760
i'll leave it wide open and keep an open

865
00:32:55,830 --> 00:32:53,760
mind on it if someone like yourself is

866
00:32:57,269 --> 00:32:55,840
saying that given the size of it and the

867
00:32:58,789 --> 00:32:57,279
nature of it that there's something to

868
00:33:00,710 --> 00:32:58,799
that object then

869
00:33:02,789 --> 00:33:00,720
that that's completely fair well i

870
00:33:05,509 --> 00:33:02,799
wouldn't rule out a drone at this point

871
00:33:09,909 --> 00:33:05,519
i'm just saying it's not a bird okay

872
00:33:14,149 --> 00:33:12,310
yeah well no just the erratic the

873
00:33:15,669 --> 00:33:14,159
movement of the

874
00:33:17,430 --> 00:33:15,679
i could see it being a drone because of

875
00:33:19,190 --> 00:33:17,440
the movement but birds don't move they

876
00:33:21,190 --> 00:33:19,200
don't fly like that

877
00:33:22,710 --> 00:33:21,200
they're they ride thermals they just do

878
00:33:24,310 --> 00:33:22,720
you know depending on the burn or else

879
00:33:26,470 --> 00:33:24,320
they're directional they're just not

880
00:33:28,630 --> 00:33:26,480
gonna immediately follow aircraft they

881
00:33:30,389 --> 00:33:28,640
stay away from aircraft

882
00:33:32,870 --> 00:33:30,399
sure and you mentioned another piece of

883
00:33:35,590 --> 00:33:32,880
footage uh the witcher or something in

884
00:33:37,190 --> 00:33:35,600
spanish you said what was that one

885
00:33:40,269 --> 00:33:37,200
yeah that was um

886
00:33:42,149 --> 00:33:40,279
i think it's la bruja

887
00:33:43,029 --> 00:33:42,159
b-r-e-u-j-a

888
00:33:44,789 --> 00:33:43,039
so

889
00:33:46,710 --> 00:33:44,799
it shows an object

890
00:33:49,590 --> 00:33:46,720
you know like maybe the size of like a

891
00:33:51,269 --> 00:33:49,600
large man that's floating above the

892
00:33:53,509 --> 00:33:51,279
surface of the ground

893
00:33:55,830 --> 00:33:53,519
i think it's around arizona or somewhere

894
00:33:57,830 --> 00:33:55,840
on the border and it just kind of moves

895
00:33:58,950 --> 00:33:57,840
in a linear direction

896
00:33:59,750 --> 00:33:58,960
and it

897
00:34:01,669 --> 00:33:59,760
the

898
00:34:03,269 --> 00:34:01,679
it's frustrating because being a flear

899
00:34:05,110 --> 00:34:03,279
operator i would have zoomed in and

900
00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:05,120
changed gains and done a lot of

901
00:34:09,109 --> 00:34:06,480
different things but this person just

902
00:34:11,510 --> 00:34:09,119
stayed the same narrow field of view and

903
00:34:13,909 --> 00:34:11,520
just kind of panned watching this thing

904
00:34:15,990 --> 00:34:13,919
but nonetheless it was still very

905
00:34:18,790 --> 00:34:16,000
um

906
00:34:21,030 --> 00:34:18,800
intriguing because it's a cold object

907
00:34:22,629 --> 00:34:21,040
and you can tell because it's on black

908
00:34:24,310 --> 00:34:22,639
hot which is in the symbology in the

909
00:34:27,190 --> 00:34:24,320
bottom left hand corner

910
00:34:29,030 --> 00:34:27,200
and it's passing by like some cattle and

911
00:34:31,270 --> 00:34:29,040
they're black and they're just walking

912
00:34:33,829 --> 00:34:31,280
along and it is too it's just flying

913
00:34:35,669 --> 00:34:33,839
right behind them and there's no

914
00:34:36,790 --> 00:34:35,679
erratic movement like you'd see from a

915
00:34:38,710 --> 00:34:36,800
balloon

916
00:34:41,190 --> 00:34:38,720
now i've kind of thought what could this

917
00:34:42,790 --> 00:34:41,200
be like a drug running drone that

918
00:34:44,869 --> 00:34:42,800
they're trying to cloak

919
00:34:47,190 --> 00:34:44,879
using like a wet cloth over the top of

920
00:34:49,750 --> 00:34:47,200
it and the wind blowing against it would

921
00:34:51,270 --> 00:34:49,760
make it you know it's a humid or arid

922
00:34:52,470 --> 00:34:51,280
desert and

923
00:34:54,389 --> 00:34:52,480
i'm trying to put all these things

924
00:34:55,750 --> 00:34:54,399
together but none of them making sense

925
00:34:57,349 --> 00:34:55,760
it just

926
00:34:59,190 --> 00:34:57,359
you'll have to look that one up it was

927
00:35:01,349 --> 00:34:59,200
pretty intriguing but the most

928
00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:01,359
fascinating part is it's just a solid

929
00:35:06,150 --> 00:35:04,320
cold object

930
00:35:07,829 --> 00:35:06,160
i have made a note to look that one up

931
00:35:09,190 --> 00:35:07,839
yep and i certainly will and i'll post a

932
00:35:10,150 --> 00:35:09,200
link for it as well in the description

933
00:35:11,589 --> 00:35:10,160
of the pod

934
00:35:14,230 --> 00:35:11,599
for anyone who wants to see it i'm sure

935
00:35:15,270 --> 00:35:14,240
i'll be able to find it yeah right

936
00:35:18,230 --> 00:35:15,280
uh

937
00:35:19,109 --> 00:35:18,240
now what are the dangers of untrained

938
00:35:21,430 --> 00:35:19,119
eyes

939
00:35:23,510 --> 00:35:21,440
looking at these videos and commenting i

940
00:35:25,270 --> 00:35:23,520
mean i i've seen recently just i think

941
00:35:27,270 --> 00:35:25,280
in the last day or so someone on twitter

942
00:35:29,349 --> 00:35:27,280
had posted a picture of a camera they

943
00:35:31,829 --> 00:35:29,359
were gonna gonna buy and it was a flare

944
00:35:34,069 --> 00:35:31,839
camera for about two hundred dollars

945
00:35:35,670 --> 00:35:34,079
like a handheld one now i'm sure that is

946
00:35:38,069 --> 00:35:35,680
not the same equipment you're using you

947
00:35:40,150 --> 00:35:38,079
know in your professional capacity

948
00:35:42,069 --> 00:35:40,160
but what are your recommendations for

949
00:35:44,230 --> 00:35:42,079
just the general public looking to buy

950
00:35:46,870 --> 00:35:44,240
flare cameras to try and take pictures

951
00:35:48,950 --> 00:35:46,880
or film ufos

952
00:35:50,470 --> 00:35:48,960
yeah unfortunately those aren't really

953
00:35:51,430 --> 00:35:50,480
readily available

954
00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:51,440
i mean

955
00:35:55,270 --> 00:35:53,040
the technology you're talking about is

956
00:35:56,630 --> 00:35:55,280
thermography so you have like a handheld

957
00:35:59,430 --> 00:35:56,640
unit it doesn't matter if you plug it

958
00:36:01,750 --> 00:35:59,440
into your phone or you have um you know

959
00:36:03,349 --> 00:36:01,760
a unit that's like a monitor on a stick

960
00:36:05,109 --> 00:36:03,359
something like that

961
00:36:07,030 --> 00:36:05,119
but those

962
00:36:09,990 --> 00:36:07,040
are like i said earlier which is what

963
00:36:12,550 --> 00:36:10,000
mikwes has is it's a long wave camera

964
00:36:13,829 --> 00:36:12,560
and it's often um

965
00:36:15,990 --> 00:36:13,839
what they'll do is they'll take like a

966
00:36:19,190 --> 00:36:16,000
daylight camera and overlap this long

967
00:36:21,750 --> 00:36:19,200
wave and kind of make a composite video

968
00:36:22,790 --> 00:36:21,760
so that's kind of confusing as well

969
00:36:24,069 --> 00:36:22,800
um

970
00:36:26,710 --> 00:36:24,079
they're just

971
00:36:28,790 --> 00:36:26,720
two different technologies there's no

972
00:36:31,510 --> 00:36:28,800
zoom to the the

973
00:36:33,349 --> 00:36:31,520
thermography cameras as far as i know if

974
00:36:35,349 --> 00:36:33,359
there is it's probably going to be

975
00:36:37,430 --> 00:36:35,359
digital so you're not going to be able

976
00:36:39,750 --> 00:36:37,440
to see the objects in the sky

977
00:36:41,510 --> 00:36:39,760
like um you know like the ones that i

978
00:36:43,589 --> 00:36:41,520
have access to are the government ones

979
00:36:45,270 --> 00:36:43,599
that are on the aircraft

980
00:36:46,710 --> 00:36:45,280
yeah so people shouldn't be expecting

981
00:36:48,470 --> 00:36:46,720
for a couple of hundred dollars to pick

982
00:36:49,750 --> 00:36:48,480
up something that's that's going to be

983
00:36:51,829 --> 00:36:49,760
filming like what they're saying on

984
00:36:53,750 --> 00:36:51,839
youtube and on twitter basically so be

985
00:36:55,510 --> 00:36:53,760
very careful what they're buying yeah

986
00:36:56,310 --> 00:36:55,520
absolutely not those are used for like

987
00:37:00,390 --> 00:36:56,320
um

988
00:37:02,550 --> 00:37:00,400
finding leaks around your doors you know

989
00:37:04,310 --> 00:37:02,560
the heat's coming in or something or

990
00:37:05,990 --> 00:37:04,320
going up into your attic and looking at

991
00:37:08,230 --> 00:37:06,000
your insulation make sure that's not

992
00:37:10,150 --> 00:37:08,240
leaking there's practical applications

993
00:37:12,790 --> 00:37:10,160
for it but it's mostly on an industrial

994
00:37:14,150 --> 00:37:12,800
level it's not meant for you know

995
00:37:15,910 --> 00:37:14,160
tracking the skies

996
00:37:16,870 --> 00:37:15,920
don't go ufo hunting with one of those

997
00:37:18,470 --> 00:37:16,880
folks

998
00:37:20,470 --> 00:37:18,480
and we touched on that a little bit we

999
00:37:23,270 --> 00:37:20,480
touched on it earlier dave like the

1000
00:37:25,190 --> 00:37:23,280
recent drops by jeremy corbell who i

1001
00:37:26,550 --> 00:37:25,200
know jeremy is someone who has promoted

1002
00:37:29,190 --> 00:37:26,560
you i don't know how well you know him

1003
00:37:31,510 --> 00:37:29,200
he says buddy in his tweets but um do

1004
00:37:32,950 --> 00:37:31,520
you know jeremy corbell quite well

1005
00:37:34,230 --> 00:37:32,960
you know we've talked on the phone

1006
00:37:37,670 --> 00:37:34,240
especially with that whole gimbal

1007
00:37:39,670 --> 00:37:37,680
rotation we talked for a couple hours

1008
00:37:41,349 --> 00:37:39,680
i think jeremy is the type of guy that

1009
00:37:42,150 --> 00:37:41,359
likes to take a story

1010
00:37:46,470 --> 00:37:42,160
and

1011
00:37:48,390 --> 00:37:46,480
that's pretty much what he does i don't

1012
00:37:51,270 --> 00:37:48,400
think there's any sinister

1013
00:37:53,109 --> 00:37:51,280
things that he has going on and i don't

1014
00:37:54,310 --> 00:37:53,119
think he's all about

1015
00:37:56,150 --> 00:37:54,320
you know just

1016
00:37:58,230 --> 00:37:56,160
hype but um

1017
00:38:00,150 --> 00:37:58,240
yeah you know jeremy pretty much is what

1018
00:38:02,150 --> 00:38:00,160
he seems like he is

1019
00:38:04,150 --> 00:38:02,160
yeah and

1020
00:38:06,950 --> 00:38:04,160
i mean let's card's on the table he's a

1021
00:38:09,430 --> 00:38:06,960
filmmaker and a content creator and he

1022
00:38:11,670 --> 00:38:09,440
is not afraid to be in front of a camera

1023
00:38:13,270 --> 00:38:11,680
well he's he's put people in front of

1024
00:38:16,069 --> 00:38:13,280
joe rogan but he makes sure he sat

1025
00:38:17,670 --> 00:38:16,079
beside them and he likes to also star in

1026
00:38:19,349 --> 00:38:17,680
his own documentaries which are very

1027
00:38:21,750 --> 00:38:19,359
good the the subjects of them i'm

1028
00:38:24,150 --> 00:38:21,760
particularly interested in but

1029
00:38:26,310 --> 00:38:24,160
like you say jeremy's jeremy he

1030
00:38:28,470 --> 00:38:26,320
he's a character as much as he is

1031
00:38:30,710 --> 00:38:28,480
someone who who has dropped breaking

1032
00:38:32,230 --> 00:38:30,720
stories if you want to call it that but

1033
00:38:34,630 --> 00:38:32,240
recently he's been at the center of

1034
00:38:37,829 --> 00:38:34,640
those height kind of storms as you talk

1035
00:38:40,470 --> 00:38:37,839
about with um some leaks of one we had

1036
00:38:42,950 --> 00:38:40,480
the sphere objects and that had a whole

1037
00:38:46,630 --> 00:38:42,960
load of different data corroborating it

1038
00:38:48,550 --> 00:38:46,640
and also we had the the bokeh video

1039
00:38:49,990 --> 00:38:48,560
which well i call it the bokeh video

1040
00:38:51,750 --> 00:38:50,000
because that's what mcquest was labeling

1041
00:38:53,349 --> 00:38:51,760
it as but you'll know the one where

1042
00:38:55,349 --> 00:38:53,359
they're looking through the night scope

1043
00:38:57,910 --> 00:38:55,359
and they're seeing that the triangular

1044
00:39:00,710 --> 00:38:57,920
shape can i get your thoughts on that i

1045
00:39:01,750 --> 00:39:00,720
know that's not flare necessarily but

1046
00:39:03,829 --> 00:39:01,760
what are your thoughts on those

1047
00:39:05,829 --> 00:39:03,839
triangular objects and the fact that

1048
00:39:09,270 --> 00:39:05,839
they were labeled as being like pyramid

1049
00:39:14,230 --> 00:39:11,109
yeah that's what i was kind of not

1050
00:39:15,670 --> 00:39:14,240
commenting on because um i'm not going

1051
00:39:16,870 --> 00:39:15,680
to say i don't know about the validity

1052
00:39:18,870 --> 00:39:16,880
of it but

1053
00:39:21,349 --> 00:39:18,880
you know the the flashing

1054
00:39:22,790 --> 00:39:21,359
of the the strobing of the the pyramid

1055
00:39:24,550 --> 00:39:22,800
if you want to call it that

1056
00:39:26,470 --> 00:39:24,560
um

1057
00:39:28,390 --> 00:39:26,480
it's seeming aircraft

1058
00:39:31,030 --> 00:39:28,400
like an aircraft flashing

1059
00:39:33,270 --> 00:39:31,040
but i'm not an expert so one guy that

1060
00:39:34,870 --> 00:39:33,280
did a good video on that is chris

1061
00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:34,880
leto

1062
00:39:37,829 --> 00:39:35,760
yes

1063
00:39:39,190 --> 00:39:37,839
i've i've subscribed to him on youtube

1064
00:39:41,109 --> 00:39:39,200
i'm trying to get him on the podcast as

1065
00:39:43,829 --> 00:39:41,119
well yeah yeah he did a pretty good

1066
00:39:45,990 --> 00:39:43,839
video on that so i would probably throw

1067
00:39:49,510 --> 00:39:46,000
the ball in his court because that's not

1068
00:39:51,510 --> 00:39:49,520
really down my path of expertise either

1069
00:39:53,510 --> 00:39:51,520
totally fair uh and what about the the

1070
00:39:55,910 --> 00:39:53,520
video where we do have the flare camera

1071
00:39:58,150 --> 00:39:55,920
on the sphere objects which are kind of

1072
00:40:00,390 --> 00:39:58,160
floating along and then seem to go into

1073
00:40:03,030 --> 00:40:00,400
the ocean

1074
00:40:05,109 --> 00:40:03,040
oh yeah yeah yeah okay i think the one

1075
00:40:06,870 --> 00:40:05,119
that like it just submerges

1076
00:40:09,430 --> 00:40:06,880
yes yeah and it's got the audio to it as

1077
00:40:12,310 --> 00:40:09,440
well yeah that they're saying yeah

1078
00:40:14,390 --> 00:40:12,320
yes that's that splash yeah okay so yeah

1079
00:40:16,470 --> 00:40:14,400
actually i um was on a face time with

1080
00:40:18,710 --> 00:40:16,480
chris leto because he wanted um my

1081
00:40:20,950 --> 00:40:18,720
opinion on what the flear would be like

1082
00:40:23,430 --> 00:40:20,960
and i told him my opinions

1083
00:40:26,150 --> 00:40:23,440
and um he was we were kind of working

1084
00:40:28,870 --> 00:40:26,160
through what was being seen from the

1085
00:40:29,829 --> 00:40:28,880
aspect of the ship and the flear

1086
00:40:32,150 --> 00:40:29,839
so

1087
00:40:34,470 --> 00:40:32,160
my misunderstanding was i thought

1088
00:40:37,030 --> 00:40:34,480
the ship was kind of going along with it

1089
00:40:39,430 --> 00:40:37,040
or it was traveling but it turns out we

1090
00:40:40,790 --> 00:40:39,440
analyze the the data

1091
00:40:44,230 --> 00:40:40,800
and you're looking kind of straight

1092
00:40:46,310 --> 00:40:44,240
ahead at the fleer and it's not really

1093
00:40:49,589 --> 00:40:46,320
traveling left right

1094
00:40:51,510 --> 00:40:49,599
you know it just kind of descends down

1095
00:40:53,990 --> 00:40:51,520
and that's what even made it creepier

1096
00:40:55,829 --> 00:40:54,000
because i thought it was like something

1097
00:40:58,230 --> 00:40:55,839
that was just kind of traveling and then

1098
00:41:00,710 --> 00:40:58,240
decided to descend into the sea

1099
00:41:03,030 --> 00:41:00,720
which may or may not have been something

1100
00:41:04,390 --> 00:41:03,040
you know anomaly or some of some kind

1101
00:41:05,589 --> 00:41:04,400
but this was

1102
00:41:07,589 --> 00:41:05,599
something that was just kind of

1103
00:41:09,990 --> 00:41:07,599
stationary and then just decided to sink

1104
00:41:11,270 --> 00:41:10,000
down into the sea

1105
00:41:12,790 --> 00:41:11,280
because you would see if it was

1106
00:41:15,109 --> 00:41:12,800
something like a jet engine going away

1107
00:41:17,190 --> 00:41:15,119
from you it would start to get smaller

1108
00:41:19,030 --> 00:41:17,200
and fainter it's just

1109
00:41:20,550 --> 00:41:19,040
you know it is what it is what you think

1110
00:41:22,309 --> 00:41:20,560
it'd be

1111
00:41:23,990 --> 00:41:22,319
so that one you would say has got

1112
00:41:25,430 --> 00:41:24,000
something a little bit more to it then

1113
00:41:27,270 --> 00:41:25,440
that there's

1114
00:41:29,670 --> 00:41:27,280
there's a good chance that's something

1115
00:41:31,270 --> 00:41:29,680
anomalous oh i would say so yeah that

1116
00:41:33,829 --> 00:41:31,280
was a neat one

1117
00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:33,839
now where do you think this is all going

1118
00:41:37,750 --> 00:41:35,040
like you said

1119
00:41:39,829 --> 00:41:37,760
17 years ago this was unheard of to get

1120
00:41:41,589 --> 00:41:39,839
this kind of footage and now we seem to

1121
00:41:43,109 --> 00:41:41,599
have in the space of a couple of years

1122
00:41:45,270 --> 00:41:43,119
even though it's not enough for some

1123
00:41:47,270 --> 00:41:45,280
people we seem to have quite a lot of

1124
00:41:49,270 --> 00:41:47,280
declassified or leaked or official

1125
00:41:53,030 --> 00:41:49,280
military footage out there for us to

1126
00:41:54,470 --> 00:41:53,040
look at involving potential uaps or ufos

1127
00:41:55,990 --> 00:41:54,480
do you think we're going to keep getting

1128
00:41:59,190 --> 00:41:56,000
more of this or do you think we've just

1129
00:42:01,109 --> 00:41:59,200
been lucky in what we've got

1130
00:42:02,390 --> 00:42:01,119
yeah you know that's all circumstantial

1131
00:42:04,630 --> 00:42:02,400
i guess i mean

1132
00:42:06,230 --> 00:42:04,640
i was lucky to get that one footage out

1133
00:42:07,349 --> 00:42:06,240
the back you know where we were testing

1134
00:42:09,270 --> 00:42:07,359
the system

1135
00:42:12,309 --> 00:42:09,280
and that was just random

1136
00:42:14,829 --> 00:42:12,319
so but you know you got to see who's

1137
00:42:18,230 --> 00:42:14,839
taping all these is it's the guys in the

1138
00:42:20,309 --> 00:42:18,240
military so maybe the aircraft the let's

1139
00:42:21,750 --> 00:42:20,319
say it's alien aircraft maybe they're

1140
00:42:23,589 --> 00:42:21,760
wondering what we're doing with our

1141
00:42:25,349 --> 00:42:23,599
capabilities and

1142
00:42:26,069 --> 00:42:25,359
getting in for a closer inspection you

1143
00:42:28,390 --> 00:42:26,079
know

1144
00:42:30,069 --> 00:42:28,400
my opinion is just all speculation as

1145
00:42:32,390 --> 00:42:30,079
far as you know if there's going to be

1146
00:42:33,990 --> 00:42:32,400
more but you know i would say there

1147
00:42:35,430 --> 00:42:34,000
probably would be more but

1148
00:42:38,470 --> 00:42:35,440
again you'd have to sift through them to

1149
00:42:40,950 --> 00:42:38,480
see what's right and what's an anomaly

1150
00:42:43,510 --> 00:42:40,960
now clearly there's a chance that some

1151
00:42:45,190 --> 00:42:43,520
of these objects are foreign adversarial

1152
00:42:47,030 --> 00:42:45,200
technologies

1153
00:42:48,950 --> 00:42:47,040
but when we're looking at the truly

1154
00:42:50,550 --> 00:42:48,960
anomalous cases

1155
00:42:51,750 --> 00:42:50,560
would you lean towards this being

1156
00:42:53,750 --> 00:42:51,760
something

1157
00:42:55,430 --> 00:42:53,760
more likely to be truly anomalous and i

1158
00:42:57,589 --> 00:42:55,440
wouldn't make you say alien or whatever

1159
00:43:00,470 --> 00:42:57,599
that might entail or do you think

1160
00:43:04,390 --> 00:43:00,480
there's a good chance this is more

1161
00:43:06,550 --> 00:43:04,400
human-based and foreign adversarial

1162
00:43:09,430 --> 00:43:06,560
have you made up your mind on that yet

1163
00:43:12,069 --> 00:43:09,440
so um maybe call me old school but every

1164
00:43:13,750 --> 00:43:12,079
type of aircraft that i've seen has some

1165
00:43:14,870 --> 00:43:13,760
kind of propulsion to it there's always

1166
00:43:17,109 --> 00:43:14,880
a lift

1167
00:43:19,109 --> 00:43:17,119
there's always a jet in the back but

1168
00:43:20,710 --> 00:43:19,119
there's always left with the wings

1169
00:43:23,190 --> 00:43:20,720
because that's just the nature of

1170
00:43:25,030 --> 00:43:23,200
aircraft i haven't seen any aircraft

1171
00:43:26,790 --> 00:43:25,040
that can move around where there's no

1172
00:43:31,030 --> 00:43:26,800
obvious propulsion

1173
00:43:33,589 --> 00:43:31,040
so even darpa you know ephemera darpa

1174
00:43:35,270 --> 00:43:33,599
yeah okay so even them i don't think

1175
00:43:37,510 --> 00:43:35,280
they're going to come up with anything

1176
00:43:39,670 --> 00:43:37,520
and if if they do then it's

1177
00:43:43,270 --> 00:43:39,680
groundbreaking technology it's something

1178
00:43:45,750 --> 00:43:43,280
just do we have no concept of right now

1179
00:43:48,069 --> 00:43:45,760
so or maybe if darpa did it they would

1180
00:43:49,829 --> 00:43:48,079
have the concept but i'm saying it's not

1181
00:43:52,150 --> 00:43:49,839
anything that

1182
00:43:53,109 --> 00:43:52,160
we as common folk would know anything

1183
00:43:56,950 --> 00:43:53,119
about

1184
00:43:58,710 --> 00:43:56,960
so yeah and either way is fascinating

1185
00:44:00,230 --> 00:43:58,720
well it's been great having you explain

1186
00:44:02,150 --> 00:44:00,240
some of that dave and hopefully people

1187
00:44:04,150 --> 00:44:02,160
have learned a little bit if nothing

1188
00:44:05,910 --> 00:44:04,160
else from that as to what they should

1189
00:44:07,670 --> 00:44:05,920
and shouldn't be looking out for and oh

1190
00:44:10,150 --> 00:44:07,680
that brew high ufo i'll be checking that

1191
00:44:11,589 --> 00:44:10,160
one out i've got some listener questions

1192
00:44:14,309 --> 00:44:11,599
and then we've got the quick fire round

1193
00:44:15,829 --> 00:44:14,319
as well uh first question you you

1194
00:44:18,150 --> 00:44:15,839
touched on this before this was from

1195
00:44:20,390 --> 00:44:18,160
nathan but just to clear it up so for

1196
00:44:22,550 --> 00:44:20,400
the gimbal video some skeptics have

1197
00:44:24,630 --> 00:44:22,560
claimed it's the view of the tail end

1198
00:44:26,950 --> 00:44:24,640
exhaust of a distant plane

1199
00:44:29,109 --> 00:44:26,960
one thing that's confused nathan if that

1200
00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:29,119
claim is true wouldn't the image of the

1201
00:44:33,670 --> 00:44:31,680
plume reduce in size over time as the

1202
00:44:35,510 --> 00:44:33,680
plane moves away further from the flare

1203
00:44:37,510 --> 00:44:35,520
would that be correct

1204
00:44:39,109 --> 00:44:37,520
yeah well unless he's pacing it you know

1205
00:44:40,870 --> 00:44:39,119
and they're staying at the exact same

1206
00:44:44,550 --> 00:44:40,880
speed but yeah

1207
00:44:47,829 --> 00:44:44,560
you should see the plume spike and it

1208
00:44:49,670 --> 00:44:47,839
would become more faint as the

1209
00:44:52,550 --> 00:44:49,680
plane got distant

1210
00:44:54,150 --> 00:44:52,560
so yes in essence that's correct but i

1211
00:44:55,589 --> 00:44:54,160
would say there's no

1212
00:44:59,430 --> 00:44:55,599
jets out there that are going to just

1213
00:45:01,430 --> 00:44:59,440
fly at one particular level

1214
00:45:03,589 --> 00:45:01,440
they're going to turn i mean

1215
00:45:05,670 --> 00:45:03,599
the jet fighters that are operating the

1216
00:45:07,270 --> 00:45:05,680
the fliers or i guess that would be the

1217
00:45:09,670 --> 00:45:07,280
wizzo in the back

1218
00:45:11,670 --> 00:45:09,680
they would know that this is not a jet

1219
00:45:12,870 --> 00:45:11,680
it's that's their jobs that's what they

1220
00:45:14,470 --> 00:45:12,880
do so

1221
00:45:15,750 --> 00:45:14,480
yeah i would say

1222
00:45:17,589 --> 00:45:15,760
correct

1223
00:45:19,030 --> 00:45:17,599
and you can also hear from the pilots

1224
00:45:20,390 --> 00:45:19,040
looking at the footage as they talk

1225
00:45:21,750 --> 00:45:20,400
about it that they know they're looking

1226
00:45:22,710 --> 00:45:21,760
at something that's a bit unusual as

1227
00:45:25,670 --> 00:45:22,720
well

1228
00:45:28,309 --> 00:45:25,680
which which is fair um dan who's my

1229
00:45:30,790 --> 00:45:28,319
regular co-host he wanted to know what

1230
00:45:33,589 --> 00:45:30,800
part does the flare system play on a

1231
00:45:38,710 --> 00:45:33,599
ship or fleet and how important is that

1232
00:45:43,750 --> 00:45:41,829
interesting um

1233
00:45:45,510 --> 00:45:43,760
yeah i guess it depends on the mission

1234
00:45:47,990 --> 00:45:45,520
like when i was in the navy it was the

1235
00:45:49,190 --> 00:45:48,000
whole bosnia kosovo thing

1236
00:45:51,270 --> 00:45:49,200
so

1237
00:45:52,950 --> 00:45:51,280
i worked on a different pod it was a

1238
00:45:54,790 --> 00:45:52,960
dataling pod that

1239
00:45:57,030 --> 00:45:54,800
they would launch it was it's now the

1240
00:45:58,790 --> 00:45:57,040
slam er but they would launch a missile

1241
00:46:00,550 --> 00:45:58,800
and it was video guided

1242
00:46:02,870 --> 00:46:00,560
so you could see you know from the

1243
00:46:04,230 --> 00:46:02,880
cockpit what you're going towards and

1244
00:46:06,309 --> 00:46:04,240
then you could guide it with the thumb

1245
00:46:08,710 --> 00:46:06,319
wheel or whatever but um

1246
00:46:11,109 --> 00:46:08,720
with the flear same kind of thing you're

1247
00:46:13,190 --> 00:46:11,119
it's a target target acquisition you're

1248
00:46:14,470 --> 00:46:13,200
like i want to bomb this building at

1249
00:46:17,510 --> 00:46:14,480
this particular

1250
00:46:19,510 --> 00:46:17,520
latitude longitude and um okay there it

1251
00:46:22,069 --> 00:46:19,520
is i see it right in you know the sights

1252
00:46:25,430 --> 00:46:22,079
and you know laser designator and and

1253
00:46:27,750 --> 00:46:25,440
you hit it so it's all about just

1254
00:46:30,710 --> 00:46:27,760
yes i would say it's pretty vital

1255
00:46:32,870 --> 00:46:30,720
in some circumstances you know depending

1256
00:46:34,630 --> 00:46:32,880
on the terrain that kind of thing does

1257
00:46:36,230 --> 00:46:34,640
that answer your question yeah it does

1258
00:46:38,309 --> 00:46:36,240
yeah and it may make sense but i've got

1259
00:46:39,910 --> 00:46:38,319
a follow-up on that now i'm going to try

1260
00:46:41,190 --> 00:46:39,920
and mod this properly and i might just

1261
00:46:42,550 --> 00:46:41,200
see it and hopefully you can pick up

1262
00:46:46,230 --> 00:46:42,560
what i mean but

1263
00:46:48,870 --> 00:46:46,240
how up-to-date is the flare system

1264
00:46:51,750 --> 00:46:48,880
because i appreciate what it's looking

1265
00:46:54,829 --> 00:46:51,760
at and the the purpose of it but

1266
00:46:58,230 --> 00:46:54,839
obviously it still produces a certain

1267
00:47:00,630 --> 00:46:58,240
quality is it as as good as it can get

1268
00:47:03,030 --> 00:47:00,640
or can the flare system become more do

1269
00:47:04,630 --> 00:47:03,040
you think or do you know

1270
00:47:05,829 --> 00:47:04,640
um do you have one in particular that

1271
00:47:07,430 --> 00:47:05,839
you're talking about

1272
00:47:09,829 --> 00:47:07,440
no just you know we're looking at these

1273
00:47:12,470 --> 00:47:09,839
flare videos and they show they show

1274
00:47:14,230 --> 00:47:12,480
what they show so on that gimbal video

1275
00:47:17,190 --> 00:47:14,240
it's it's flare

1276
00:47:19,030 --> 00:47:17,200
if i'm using that correctly but okay

1277
00:47:20,870 --> 00:47:19,040
could that be better could you get

1278
00:47:23,270 --> 00:47:20,880
anything more from that particular

1279
00:47:25,109 --> 00:47:23,280
system when it's looking at that object

1280
00:47:27,510 --> 00:47:25,119
as are there improvements that could be

1281
00:47:29,030 --> 00:47:27,520
made or is that the end of that

1282
00:47:31,430 --> 00:47:29,040
technology before something else would

1283
00:47:33,270 --> 00:47:31,440
have to take over

1284
00:47:35,430 --> 00:47:33,280
um well yes and no

1285
00:47:38,550 --> 00:47:35,440
the technology can get better and i

1286
00:47:40,630 --> 00:47:38,560
believe what you're seeing in the gimbal

1287
00:47:42,870 --> 00:47:40,640
and the tic tac and the go fast i think

1288
00:47:45,510 --> 00:47:42,880
those are analog videos which means you

1289
00:47:47,109 --> 00:47:45,520
have your 640x480 it's um

1290
00:47:48,870 --> 00:47:47,119
just like you what you call a standard

1291
00:47:54,630 --> 00:47:48,880
video

1292
00:47:56,950 --> 00:47:54,640
so now we're at the 720 the 1080

1293
00:47:58,950 --> 00:47:56,960
that kind of thing and i'm sure 4k is on

1294
00:48:01,510 --> 00:47:58,960
the horizon so

1295
00:48:03,589 --> 00:48:01,520
yes it's definitely gonna get better but

1296
00:48:05,270 --> 00:48:03,599
we're just looking at

1297
00:48:08,309 --> 00:48:05,280
kind of the

1298
00:48:10,150 --> 00:48:08,319
technology that's um antiquated or

1299
00:48:12,069 --> 00:48:10,160
fading you know getting rid of it and

1300
00:48:14,390 --> 00:48:12,079
we're phasing it out

1301
00:48:15,750 --> 00:48:14,400
so yeah like a lot of our old analog

1302
00:48:18,950 --> 00:48:15,760
flares we don't even use them anymore

1303
00:48:21,750 --> 00:48:18,960
we've since de-meld them and moved on to

1304
00:48:23,270 --> 00:48:21,760
i think we're completely high def now

1305
00:48:26,069 --> 00:48:23,280
and i was going to say most people would

1306
00:48:28,150 --> 00:48:26,079
know 720 or 1080 as hd when you're

1307
00:48:30,150 --> 00:48:28,160
looking at tvs

1308
00:48:32,150 --> 00:48:30,160
with something like the gimbal video so

1309
00:48:33,910 --> 00:48:32,160
we've seen the analog version

1310
00:48:35,910 --> 00:48:33,920
or you know the standard definition

1311
00:48:36,790 --> 00:48:35,920
quality is the as the old money we would

1312
00:48:38,950 --> 00:48:36,800
call it

1313
00:48:41,589 --> 00:48:38,960
as there are more than likely hd

1314
00:48:42,630 --> 00:48:41,599
versions of those

1315
00:48:46,230 --> 00:48:42,640
um

1316
00:48:48,710 --> 00:48:46,240
were raytheon i would definitely be

1317
00:48:51,109 --> 00:48:48,720
cranking out the high def ones and

1318
00:48:52,630 --> 00:48:51,119
that's not much as far as changing out

1319
00:48:54,630 --> 00:48:52,640
optics it's just

1320
00:48:57,109 --> 00:48:54,640
pretty much changing the basic cameras

1321
00:48:58,069 --> 00:48:57,119
that are seeing you know like a camera

1322
00:49:00,069 --> 00:48:58,079
body

1323
00:49:01,829 --> 00:49:00,079
so you could change those out

1324
00:49:03,990 --> 00:49:01,839
and then you just you could use the

1325
00:49:07,030 --> 00:49:04,000
existing system without having to

1326
00:49:08,790 --> 00:49:07,040
replace the entire pod in the flear pod

1327
00:49:10,390 --> 00:49:08,800
you can use all everything else just

1328
00:49:12,870 --> 00:49:10,400
replace the cameras you might have a

1329
00:49:14,470 --> 00:49:12,880
different protocol as far as

1330
00:49:16,950 --> 00:49:14,480
talking you know you'd have to have

1331
00:49:18,630 --> 00:49:16,960
digital talk instead of analog talk to

1332
00:49:21,750 --> 00:49:18,640
put it on layman's terms

1333
00:49:24,950 --> 00:49:21,760
no that's fair and again if if i saw the

1334
00:49:27,190 --> 00:49:24,960
hd version of the the gimbal footage

1335
00:49:29,030 --> 00:49:27,200
would with myself as a layman just

1336
00:49:30,950 --> 00:49:29,040
looking at it not knowing how to read

1337
00:49:34,069 --> 00:49:30,960
what's on there would i notice any

1338
00:49:35,589 --> 00:49:34,079
difference to the actual picture itself

1339
00:49:36,630 --> 00:49:35,599
yeah well the first thing you'll

1340
00:49:37,910 --> 00:49:36,640
probably see

1341
00:49:39,190 --> 00:49:37,920
is it

1342
00:49:40,950 --> 00:49:39,200
it's going to fill the screen this is

1343
00:49:42,390 --> 00:49:40,960
something i'm thinking about when i look

1344
00:49:43,589 --> 00:49:42,400
in the shop

1345
00:49:45,910 --> 00:49:43,599
you're definitely it's going to be

1346
00:49:47,829 --> 00:49:45,920
bigger it's going to fill the screen and

1347
00:49:49,750 --> 00:49:47,839
you're going to see more detail and

1348
00:49:52,390 --> 00:49:49,760
there's also more additions like a

1349
00:49:54,710 --> 00:49:52,400
digital detail enhancement that will

1350
00:49:57,829 --> 00:49:54,720
up the resolution it's kind of hard to

1351
00:49:59,750 --> 00:49:57,839
explain but it's not up converting it's

1352
00:50:02,710 --> 00:49:59,760
it just makes

1353
00:50:03,910 --> 00:50:02,720
it's hard to explain

1354
00:50:05,910 --> 00:50:03,920
but yeah you'll definitely be able to

1355
00:50:08,390 --> 00:50:05,920
notice a difference i mean we can just

1356
00:50:09,670 --> 00:50:08,400
push a button and you can see analog to

1357
00:50:10,710 --> 00:50:09,680
digital

1358
00:50:12,870 --> 00:50:10,720
you know

1359
00:50:14,470 --> 00:50:12,880
kind of a comparison when we're

1360
00:50:17,589 --> 00:50:14,480
operating them

1361
00:50:19,270 --> 00:50:17,599
awesome um next up mike had a question

1362
00:50:22,309 --> 00:50:19,280
he wants to know in your videos you

1363
00:50:24,230 --> 00:50:22,319
shoot objects like balloons etc um

1364
00:50:26,150 --> 00:50:24,240
they're also relatively close do you

1365
00:50:28,390 --> 00:50:26,160
plan on being able to shoot anything at

1366
00:50:31,430 --> 00:50:28,400
a longer distance or replicate

1367
00:50:33,190 --> 00:50:31,440
conditions of ufo videos and he does say

1368
00:50:36,390 --> 00:50:33,200
that he understands you just can't fly

1369
00:50:40,710 --> 00:50:38,549
so he wants me to um

1370
00:50:42,150 --> 00:50:40,720
catch a balloon at a further distance

1371
00:50:43,589 --> 00:50:42,160
yeah i think he wants you to try and

1372
00:50:46,630 --> 00:50:43,599
film them from

1373
00:50:47,910 --> 00:50:46,640
those distances potentially away

1374
00:50:49,510 --> 00:50:47,920
yeah um

1375
00:50:50,790 --> 00:50:49,520
actually i caught a balloon today that

1376
00:50:53,030 --> 00:50:50,800
was in the sky

1377
00:50:55,829 --> 00:50:53,040
that was at a further distance and i was

1378
00:50:57,349 --> 00:50:55,839
watching it and it was a mylar balloon

1379
00:50:58,950 --> 00:50:57,359
like a star shape

1380
00:51:01,109 --> 00:50:58,960
so i watched it and watched it i got

1381
00:51:03,750 --> 00:51:01,119
like 10 minutes of footage of this thing

1382
00:51:05,910 --> 00:51:03,760
and it's it's consistent from like a

1383
00:51:08,390 --> 00:51:05,920
wide field of view well actually i was

1384
00:51:11,270 --> 00:51:08,400
about a narrow field of view but you

1385
00:51:13,349 --> 00:51:11,280
could tell it's that balloon but as it

1386
00:51:14,950 --> 00:51:13,359
travels out and becomes more faint it

1387
00:51:17,589 --> 00:51:14,960
has the same characteristics as it

1388
00:51:19,829 --> 00:51:17,599
tumbles in the sky it's showing a

1389
00:51:22,230 --> 00:51:19,839
reflective ground which is warm and a

1390
00:51:23,109 --> 00:51:22,240
reflective sky which is cold so you're

1391
00:51:25,510 --> 00:51:23,119
seeing

1392
00:51:27,750 --> 00:51:25,520
the characteristics of a mylar balloon

1393
00:51:30,549 --> 00:51:27,760
tumbling in the sky as you would think

1394
00:51:32,150 --> 00:51:30,559
so i do have that i just need to um you

1395
00:51:33,589 --> 00:51:32,160
know put that out there

1396
00:51:36,069 --> 00:51:33,599
awesome so keep an eye on the youtube

1397
00:51:37,990 --> 00:51:36,079
channel for that one and graham has a

1398
00:51:40,150 --> 00:51:38,000
good question and i like this one and he

1399
00:51:44,630 --> 00:51:40,160
means it completely seriously how

1400
00:51:47,270 --> 00:51:44,640
exactly would a seagull show up on flair

1401
00:51:49,030 --> 00:51:47,280
um well yeah it depends on the scene

1402
00:51:50,549 --> 00:51:49,040
setting you're looking at but for most

1403
00:51:53,510 --> 00:51:50,559
scenes

1404
00:51:55,670 --> 00:51:53,520
you're gonna see a a hot seagull

1405
00:51:58,309 --> 00:51:55,680
i mean it's just gonna look like a bird

1406
00:51:59,670 --> 00:51:58,319
it it is what it is yeah i mean even if

1407
00:52:00,870 --> 00:51:59,680
it was flying on the ground it's gonna

1408
00:52:02,950 --> 00:52:00,880
be hotter than its surrounding

1409
00:52:04,950 --> 00:52:02,960
environment so you will see

1410
00:52:06,150 --> 00:52:04,960
what looks like a white seagull you're

1411
00:52:08,390 --> 00:52:06,160
not going to see

1412
00:52:10,790 --> 00:52:08,400
features it's just going to be like a

1413
00:52:12,950 --> 00:52:10,800
white shaped seagull object and you'll

1414
00:52:15,270 --> 00:52:12,960
see the flapping of wings and it'll be

1415
00:52:17,510 --> 00:52:15,280
an obvious thing

1416
00:52:19,270 --> 00:52:17,520
awesome so definitely none of the videos

1417
00:52:21,270 --> 00:52:19,280
we have discussed especially things like

1418
00:52:23,910 --> 00:52:21,280
the the tic tac going across the the top

1419
00:52:27,109 --> 00:52:23,920
of the ocean is definitely not a seagull

1420
00:52:29,510 --> 00:52:27,119
no i mean if it was shaped like um a

1421
00:52:31,349 --> 00:52:29,520
boomerang and it had a

1422
00:52:33,109 --> 00:52:31,359
you know like a blob in the middle then

1423
00:52:35,510 --> 00:52:33,119
i would say that might be a bird because

1424
00:52:37,349 --> 00:52:35,520
but it's an orb it's not shaped like a

1425
00:52:39,670 --> 00:52:37,359
bird and you don't see any movement

1426
00:52:41,829 --> 00:52:39,680
there's no birds that i know of that can

1427
00:52:44,069 --> 00:52:41,839
fly distances like that without moving

1428
00:52:45,670 --> 00:52:44,079
wings that close to the surface that are

1429
00:52:47,990 --> 00:52:45,680
that cold it just

1430
00:52:49,670 --> 00:52:48,000
it is ridiculous

1431
00:52:51,510 --> 00:52:49,680
awesome that's great now listen let's

1432
00:52:53,430 --> 00:52:51,520
move on to the the quick fire round and

1433
00:52:55,109 --> 00:52:53,440
then once we finish that dave is going

1434
00:52:56,950 --> 00:52:55,119
to stay with me for a short while to go

1435
00:52:58,870 --> 00:52:56,960
over to the patreon apple subscription

1436
00:53:01,270 --> 00:52:58,880
area where we'll be talking about his

1437
00:53:03,270 --> 00:53:01,280
his favorite ufo case and any other

1438
00:53:05,030 --> 00:53:03,280
maybe favorite videos he has as well so

1439
00:53:07,030 --> 00:53:05,040
stick about for that if you're if you're

1440
00:53:08,870 --> 00:53:07,040
signed up to those services now we'll

1441
00:53:10,790 --> 00:53:08,880
finish off with a quick fire around dave

1442
00:53:13,190 --> 00:53:10,800
i'm going to name a few different people

1443
00:53:15,190 --> 00:53:13,200
or places um just topics we haven't

1444
00:53:16,790 --> 00:53:15,200
quite discussed on the the body of the

1445
00:53:18,150 --> 00:53:16,800
interview and just to get your thoughts

1446
00:53:19,990 --> 00:53:18,160
on them and if you don't have any we can

1447
00:53:21,829 --> 00:53:20,000
move on to the next one

1448
00:53:24,230 --> 00:53:21,839
so the first one would be louise

1449
00:53:25,430 --> 00:53:24,240
elizondo

1450
00:53:28,309 --> 00:53:25,440
um

1451
00:53:31,190 --> 00:53:28,319
well if he indeed is responsible for the

1452
00:53:33,430 --> 00:53:31,200
three videos that came out from atip and

1453
00:53:35,349 --> 00:53:33,440
if that is indeed an organization or was

1454
00:53:36,630 --> 00:53:35,359
an organization then yeah that's

1455
00:53:37,589 --> 00:53:36,640
fantastic

1456
00:53:40,950 --> 00:53:37,599
um

1457
00:53:42,950 --> 00:53:40,960
you know i give them props for that

1458
00:53:44,549 --> 00:53:42,960
i'm kind of skeptical because it appears

1459
00:53:47,430 --> 00:53:44,559
to me he's kind of jumped on the whole

1460
00:53:49,349 --> 00:53:47,440
media bandwagon i've reached out to him

1461
00:53:51,990 --> 00:53:49,359
on twitter and i think some other social

1462
00:53:54,230 --> 00:53:52,000
media need no response and i even

1463
00:53:55,670 --> 00:53:54,240
expressed my frustration that he did not

1464
00:53:56,630 --> 00:53:55,680
respond

1465
00:53:58,150 --> 00:53:56,640
so

1466
00:54:00,150 --> 00:53:58,160
you know how is

1467
00:54:00,950 --> 00:54:00,160
anybody gonna feel about that i was like

1468
00:54:03,750 --> 00:54:00,960
well

1469
00:54:06,309 --> 00:54:03,760
i guess i don't know much about him but

1470
00:54:08,390 --> 00:54:06,319
i think his videos are cool but you know

1471
00:54:10,309 --> 00:54:08,400
i don't know what he says is true or not

1472
00:54:11,910 --> 00:54:10,319
but a lot of people like to think that

1473
00:54:13,430 --> 00:54:11,920
he does and they kind of elevate him to

1474
00:54:13,770 --> 00:54:13,440
the status

1475
00:54:15,270 --> 00:54:13,780
um

1476
00:54:16,870 --> 00:54:15,280
[Music]

1477
00:54:18,790 --> 00:54:16,880
i don't know it's hard for me to tell

1478
00:54:20,630 --> 00:54:18,800
you i see the poster you have in the

1479
00:54:22,549 --> 00:54:20,640
behind you

1480
00:54:25,510 --> 00:54:22,559
i'm not trying to dog out your guy but

1481
00:54:27,510 --> 00:54:25,520
um no listen i i've i've said and in

1482
00:54:29,750 --> 00:54:27,520
this subject you've always got to be

1483
00:54:31,510 --> 00:54:29,760
prepared to be let down at each and

1484
00:54:32,790 --> 00:54:31,520
every turn because it's happened for so

1485
00:54:34,870 --> 00:54:32,800
long and

1486
00:54:37,829 --> 00:54:34,880
i don't think you can go 100 into

1487
00:54:40,069 --> 00:54:37,839
anything in the subject i i like glue

1488
00:54:40,950 --> 00:54:40,079
you know i speak to him semi-regularly

1489
00:54:43,270 --> 00:54:40,960
and

1490
00:54:45,030 --> 00:54:43,280
i have no reason to disbelieve what he

1491
00:54:47,510 --> 00:54:45,040
said in his background and i've put a

1492
00:54:49,589 --> 00:54:47,520
lot of faith in that but i know i won't

1493
00:54:51,270 --> 00:54:49,599
be the first person to put faith in and

1494
00:54:52,390 --> 00:54:51,280
something or someone in a subject and be

1495
00:54:54,309 --> 00:54:52,400
let down so

1496
00:54:56,470 --> 00:54:54,319
fingers crossed it's it's going well so

1497
00:54:58,870 --> 00:54:56,480
far but it's listen it's your opinion is

1498
00:55:00,630 --> 00:54:58,880
perfectly valid well no i mean you know

1499
00:55:03,349 --> 00:55:00,640
more than i do then because i've never

1500
00:55:06,790 --> 00:55:03,359
even talked to him so all i have to

1501
00:55:09,430 --> 00:55:06,800
judge my opinion is the media

1502
00:55:11,829 --> 00:55:09,440
that i have seen sure and the fact that

1503
00:55:13,589 --> 00:55:11,839
he didn't respond to me which is you

1504
00:55:15,829 --> 00:55:13,599
know he could be very busy guy and i'm

1505
00:55:16,950 --> 00:55:15,839
not holding it personal but

1506
00:55:19,109 --> 00:55:16,960
you know

1507
00:55:21,510 --> 00:55:19,119
i'd like to talk to him sometime kind of

1508
00:55:23,349 --> 00:55:21,520
get his opinion on things but you know i

1509
00:55:27,510 --> 00:55:23,359
was just in the navy i wasn't any kind

1510
00:55:29,750 --> 00:55:27,520
of cia spy or you know special program

1511
00:55:31,990 --> 00:55:29,760
director or anything like that so i mean

1512
00:55:35,190 --> 00:55:32,000
you know i only know so much

1513
00:55:37,510 --> 00:55:35,200
no that's totally fair

1514
00:55:39,190 --> 00:55:37,520
the next one is skinwalker ranch have

1515
00:55:40,230 --> 00:55:39,200
you got any thoughts on the property i

1516
00:55:41,750 --> 00:55:40,240
don't know if you've seen any of the

1517
00:55:44,230 --> 00:55:41,760
show

1518
00:55:45,670 --> 00:55:44,240
yeah again it's just the level media

1519
00:55:47,270 --> 00:55:45,680
that i've been exposed to which is

1520
00:55:49,990 --> 00:55:47,280
pretty limited i've seen

1521
00:55:51,510 --> 00:55:50,000
some of the tv show

1522
00:55:53,510 --> 00:55:51,520
i didn't watch

1523
00:55:56,630 --> 00:55:53,520
jeremy's video

1524
00:55:58,950 --> 00:55:56,640
um i don't know too much about it so

1525
00:56:00,230 --> 00:55:58,960
i'll pat probably pass on that one

1526
00:56:02,150 --> 00:56:00,240
yeah fair

1527
00:56:04,470 --> 00:56:02,160
someone who's closely associated with

1528
00:56:06,630 --> 00:56:04,480
jeremy as bob lazar any thoughts on the

1529
00:56:08,789 --> 00:56:06,640
bob lazar story

1530
00:56:10,150 --> 00:56:08,799
yeah that's a really con controversial

1531
00:56:11,430 --> 00:56:10,160
one right there

1532
00:56:16,390 --> 00:56:11,440
um

1533
00:56:20,470 --> 00:56:18,789
it's like every ufo lover's dream is bob

1534
00:56:23,190 --> 00:56:20,480
lazar you know oh he's been to the

1535
00:56:25,190 --> 00:56:23,200
special plant the s4 and he's done this

1536
00:56:27,270 --> 00:56:25,200
and that and he he's got all this

1537
00:56:29,349 --> 00:56:27,280
technical knowledge but you know

1538
00:56:31,910 --> 00:56:29,359
everything the government has erased all

1539
00:56:33,829 --> 00:56:31,920
his stuff that's a hard one to tell you

1540
00:56:37,670 --> 00:56:33,839
know i'd say

1541
00:56:40,470 --> 00:56:37,680
uh you know 50 50 because again i'm just

1542
00:56:41,910 --> 00:56:40,480
exposed to what i've been shown

1543
00:56:44,390 --> 00:56:41,920
so i don't know if he's real or not

1544
00:56:46,230 --> 00:56:44,400
jeremy seems to think he is and he seems

1545
00:56:49,030 --> 00:56:46,240
to like to build a lot of electronic

1546
00:56:50,150 --> 00:56:49,040
stuff and rockets and whatever he does

1547
00:56:51,990 --> 00:56:50,160
but um

1548
00:56:53,910 --> 00:56:52,000
yeah you know again that's another guy

1549
00:56:56,309 --> 00:56:53,920
i'd like to talk to is bob

1550
00:56:58,549 --> 00:56:56,319
because um you know i would have a lot

1551
00:56:59,990 --> 00:56:58,559
of questions about you know what his

1552
00:57:01,750 --> 00:57:00,000
experience was

1553
00:57:03,829 --> 00:57:01,760
and you know i think it's far easier to

1554
00:57:06,069 --> 00:57:03,839
get in touch with louie lozando than it

1555
00:57:07,910 --> 00:57:06,079
is bob lazar but i think the way to bob

1556
00:57:10,069 --> 00:57:07,920
lazar seems to be through jeremy corbell

1557
00:57:11,990 --> 00:57:10,079
and i think you you've got that line if

1558
00:57:14,309 --> 00:57:12,000
anything so yeah he's an elusive

1559
00:57:16,309 --> 00:57:14,319
character certainly um

1560
00:57:18,069 --> 00:57:16,319
the phoenix lights incident do you have

1561
00:57:21,270 --> 00:57:18,079
much to say on that or have you seen any

1562
00:57:24,069 --> 00:57:21,280
footage from that back in the 90s

1563
00:57:26,230 --> 00:57:24,079
yeah it's like the big curve kind of in

1564
00:57:30,549 --> 00:57:26,240
the sky

1565
00:57:32,630 --> 00:57:30,559
military explained off as flares

1566
00:57:35,510 --> 00:57:32,640
yeah i was like 97 or something like

1567
00:57:37,270 --> 00:57:35,520
that yeah yeah you know it could be

1568
00:57:38,789 --> 00:57:37,280
i don't know i mean there's a lot of

1569
00:57:41,270 --> 00:57:38,799
sightings there's like was there

1570
00:57:43,670 --> 00:57:41,280
thousands of people citing that

1571
00:57:45,190 --> 00:57:43,680
yeah most of the most of the county saw

1572
00:57:46,069 --> 00:57:45,200
it and it wasn't just over one night

1573
00:57:47,109 --> 00:57:46,079
either

1574
00:57:49,510 --> 00:57:47,119
oh wow

1575
00:57:50,870 --> 00:57:49,520
no that's definitely a fascinating one

1576
00:57:53,589 --> 00:57:50,880
it's unfortunate we didn't have the

1577
00:57:55,109 --> 00:57:53,599
technology we have now to get a better

1578
00:57:56,789 --> 00:57:55,119
glimpse at it is probably the old

1579
00:57:58,789 --> 00:57:56,799
camcorder you know where you had the

1580
00:57:59,829 --> 00:57:58,799
little rocker zoom and stuff

1581
00:58:02,230 --> 00:57:59,839
but um

1582
00:58:04,069 --> 00:58:02,240
it's in the dark yeah it's anybody's

1583
00:58:06,549 --> 00:58:04,079
guess but it doesn't look like any kind

1584
00:58:09,109 --> 00:58:06,559
of uh aircraft flares because they would

1585
00:58:10,789 --> 00:58:09,119
move down but um yeah that was a

1586
00:58:12,870 --> 00:58:10,799
fascinating one

1587
00:58:15,589 --> 00:58:12,880
awesome and the last one as i like to

1588
00:58:18,870 --> 00:58:15,599
ask all my guests what does disclosure

1589
00:58:24,630 --> 00:58:19,829
um

1590
00:58:26,870 --> 00:58:24,640
disclosure

1591
00:58:28,309 --> 00:58:26,880
well it's risky um

1592
00:58:30,150 --> 00:58:28,319
depends on what kind of disclosure

1593
00:58:31,510 --> 00:58:30,160
you're doing i mean if

1594
00:58:33,190 --> 00:58:31,520
i don't think if

1595
00:58:35,270 --> 00:58:33,200
the government said hey

1596
00:58:36,710 --> 00:58:35,280
guess what guys we do have these aliens

1597
00:58:38,309 --> 00:58:36,720
and we're where you're searching this

1598
00:58:39,750 --> 00:58:38,319
technology that there's going to be any

1599
00:58:42,710 --> 00:58:39,760
kind of

1600
00:58:44,950 --> 00:58:42,720
frenzy as far as religious

1601
00:58:46,549 --> 00:58:44,960
ideology or anything like that

1602
00:58:48,309 --> 00:58:46,559
but there's going to be a lot of

1603
00:58:49,510 --> 00:58:48,319
questions like why were you holding this

1604
00:58:51,670 --> 00:58:49,520
you know there's going to be

1605
00:58:53,589 --> 00:58:51,680
transparency issues there's i think

1606
00:58:55,990 --> 00:58:53,599
that's what they're trying to hide is

1607
00:58:58,630 --> 00:58:56,000
not the they're trying to cover their

1608
00:59:01,589 --> 00:58:58,640
butts on this they don't want

1609
00:59:03,109 --> 00:59:01,599
you know i don't know what they know but

1610
00:59:05,190 --> 00:59:03,119
you know you don't want the common

1611
00:59:07,430 --> 00:59:05,200
person to know certain things and to an

1612
00:59:09,910 --> 00:59:07,440
extent i can agree with that you know

1613
00:59:11,030 --> 00:59:09,920
being in the navy there was a lot of

1614
00:59:12,710 --> 00:59:11,040
cya

1615
00:59:15,829 --> 00:59:12,720
things going on there's a lot of things

1616
00:59:18,390 --> 00:59:15,839
going on that nobody knows about but um

1617
00:59:20,230 --> 00:59:18,400
that's the way why there's nobody wants

1618
00:59:22,309 --> 00:59:20,240
them to know in the military why they're

1619
00:59:24,150 --> 00:59:22,319
going on does that make any sense

1620
00:59:25,670 --> 00:59:24,160
because there's no logical reason for

1621
00:59:28,309 --> 00:59:25,680
the general public to know because it

1622
00:59:29,990 --> 00:59:28,319
would just cause you know now we got the

1623
00:59:31,109 --> 00:59:30,000
media coming in and asking a bunch of

1624
00:59:33,349 --> 00:59:31,119
questions and there's going to be

1625
00:59:34,950 --> 00:59:33,359
responsibility and there's going to be

1626
00:59:37,670 --> 00:59:34,960
you know people hanging and this kind of

1627
00:59:39,349 --> 00:59:37,680
stuff so yeah and i know some people

1628
00:59:42,870 --> 00:59:39,359
don't like it but i try to look at

1629
00:59:45,030 --> 00:59:42,880
things from from all sides and i can see

1630
00:59:47,109 --> 00:59:45,040
why not that it's right but if i was in

1631
00:59:49,510 --> 00:59:47,119
charge of of things now

1632
00:59:51,990 --> 00:59:49,520
then disclosure would be an admission of

1633
00:59:54,230 --> 00:59:52,000
things that have been done in the past

1634
00:59:56,870 --> 00:59:54,240
and you'd be held accountable for those

1635
00:59:58,549 --> 00:59:56,880
whereas if you push ahead with

1636
01:00:00,549 --> 00:59:58,559
if they are pushing ahead with some sort

1637
01:00:03,510 --> 01:00:00,559
of confirmation

1638
01:00:05,430 --> 01:00:03,520
then you can play a little bit dumb

1639
01:00:07,670 --> 01:00:05,440
and you can just leak little bits as if

1640
01:00:09,589 --> 01:00:07,680
we're finding this out together

1641
01:00:11,829 --> 01:00:09,599
and you kind of have a starting point to

1642
01:00:14,789 --> 01:00:11,839
go from and then you don't have to go

1643
01:00:16,950 --> 01:00:14,799
back to roswell and different cases in

1644
01:00:18,549 --> 01:00:16,960
the past and

1645
01:00:21,910 --> 01:00:18,559
you know that that's the way i look at

1646
01:00:23,670 --> 01:00:21,920
it so if you go from now then

1647
01:00:24,870 --> 01:00:23,680
you cannot almost just let's forget what

1648
01:00:27,670 --> 01:00:24,880
happened to the past and let's move

1649
01:00:29,430 --> 01:00:27,680
forward together

1650
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and you know what personally i think

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even if they did go with the

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you know if if president biden came out

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on the white house lawn and said okay

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card's on the table he's got putin on

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one side he's got you know who else

1656
01:00:42,950 --> 01:00:41,760
everyone else on the other and we know

1657
01:00:44,630 --> 01:00:42,960
about the aliens we know about the

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01:00:45,589 --> 01:00:44,640
spacecraft they come from here they come

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from there

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i i don't think 99.9 in the world would

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01:00:52,470 --> 01:00:50,960
care about what happened in the past i

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01:00:55,109 --> 01:00:52,480
think you've got a lot of the ufo

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01:00:56,710 --> 01:00:55,119
community and and some others who would

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01:00:58,950 --> 01:00:56,720
want to know about roswell and all that

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01:01:01,270 --> 01:00:58,960
kind of stuff but i think the general

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01:01:03,030 --> 01:01:01,280
world population would be quite happy

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01:01:05,270 --> 01:01:03,040
moving forward with that knowledge and

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01:01:07,510 --> 01:01:05,280
working from that point but that's

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01:01:09,670 --> 01:01:07,520
that's to be decided or seen in the

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01:01:11,750 --> 01:01:09,680
future i suppose

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01:01:13,030 --> 01:01:11,760
yeah that's definitely a good topic for

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01:01:14,950 --> 01:01:13,040
conversation

1673
01:01:16,870 --> 01:01:14,960
um i've kind of kicked that idea around

1674
01:01:17,670 --> 01:01:16,880
with some of the guys at work

1675
01:01:19,349 --> 01:01:17,680
and

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01:01:20,470 --> 01:01:19,359
yeah i don't think it would

1677
01:01:22,230 --> 01:01:20,480
it's not going to be the end of the

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01:01:25,030 --> 01:01:22,240
world that the government tells us so

1679
01:01:26,710 --> 01:01:25,040
yeah we have these things but

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at the same time

1681
01:01:31,510 --> 01:01:28,720
you could just see in simple politics i

1682
01:01:33,910 --> 01:01:31,520
think both sides of the political realm

1683
01:01:36,950 --> 01:01:33,920
are trying to hide things this and that

1684
01:01:38,870 --> 01:01:36,960
to you know maintain their their seats

1685
01:01:41,270 --> 01:01:38,880
their positions of power that kind of

1686
01:01:43,270 --> 01:01:41,280
stuff it kind of comes with territory

1687
01:01:44,710 --> 01:01:43,280
absolutely dave you'll be staying with

1688
01:01:46,230 --> 01:01:44,720
me for a few more minutes over on

1689
01:01:47,510 --> 01:01:46,240
patreon and apple podcast and the

1690
01:01:49,589 --> 01:01:47,520
premium service to talk about your

1691
01:01:51,430 --> 01:01:49,599
favorite case but in the meantime for

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01:01:54,069 --> 01:01:51,440
those finishing up with us now on the

1693
01:01:55,589 --> 01:01:54,079
main feed how can people find you online

1694
01:01:57,430 --> 01:01:55,599
and also how can they subscribe to your

1695
01:02:00,710 --> 01:01:57,440
youtube channel

1696
01:02:03,589 --> 01:02:00,720
sure um just dave faulch on twitter

1697
01:02:06,150 --> 01:02:03,599
and then if you get onto the youtube and

1698
01:02:07,910 --> 01:02:06,160
just type in dave falch it's the first

1699
01:02:10,870 --> 01:02:07,920
one that comes up you just click on that

1700
01:02:12,230 --> 01:02:10,880
and peruse at your leisure

1701
01:02:14,470 --> 01:02:12,240
and i'll make sure those links are in

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01:02:16,789 --> 01:02:14,480
the subject and the description of the

1703
01:02:17,990 --> 01:02:16,799
podcast as well dave sounds great thanks

1704
01:02:19,750 --> 01:02:18,000
for having me

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01:02:21,589 --> 01:02:19,760
anytime and look forward to some of you

1706
01:02:23,270 --> 01:02:21,599
joining us over on the premium service

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01:02:25,349 --> 01:02:23,280
as well

1708
01:02:27,349 --> 01:02:25,359
that is all for this week's show thank

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01:02:29,349 --> 01:02:27,359
you very much for listening please

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01:02:31,990 --> 01:02:29,359
remember to leave the podcast to review

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01:02:34,309 --> 01:02:32,000
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01:02:36,230 --> 01:02:34,319
retweet and subscribe that would all be

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01:02:38,390 --> 01:02:36,240
very much appreciated the shows are

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01:02:39,910 --> 01:02:38,400
being uploaded onto youtube as we speak

1715
01:02:42,390 --> 01:02:39,920
more and more you can sign up at

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01:02:47,349 --> 01:02:45,119
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1718
01:02:50,150 --> 01:02:47,359
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01:02:53,349 --> 01:02:50,160
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1720
01:02:55,510 --> 01:02:53,359
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1721
01:02:58,530 --> 01:02:55,520
and again folks as always keep looking

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01:03:19,510 --> 01:02:58,540
up you never know what you might see

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01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:26,850
i don't think he expected me

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